Ahhh good you explained that, now I don't have to and can get back to my beer and Skyrim.

I agree with TC. Sktyrim has its hooks in me and I've been enjoying the experience immensely. I concede it's not perfect. Games are made by imperfect humans.

I would refer to the complaing you see as a lot of noise from the "squeaky wheels". I'm not above complaining, but I try to do it constructively, if I do it at all.

Sure, there are some improvements I'd like to see. Yes, I wish there were more attributes. There are all kind of little bugs & quirks with this game. I do miss being able to arrange items in my house, for example. But none of the things I read people complainng about are game-breaking to me personally. I understand other folks do have bigger issues & strong opinions about the game, and they are free to post about it.

I'm not a whippersnapper any more. My first "adventure" game was when Pitfall came out on the Atari 2600. I had a joystick and one button to work with. Now i have more "perspective" than I care to elaborate on. Point is that I am able to appreciate & enjoy Skyrim for what it is, which I regard as an excellent game.

Unfortunately this idiotic debate between fans and haters has rendered any legitimate complaints or support as moot. I know that if I started a thread lamenting the things I'm disappointed with in the game, I'd get a handful or more replies labeling me a whiner or complainer. There are just too many people who think that criticism equals hatred or ingratitude. Seems indicative of a trend among people in general.

Are you implying that the only people who dislike the game are people who have simply chosen to dislike it, and are not acting based on their actual reaction to the game? Because I don't think that's the case at all.


+1

This.

>Why are so many people complaining

because the game is broken.

Drum roll please....

Lets get something straight about this "everyone complains about Skyrim" business.

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=skyrim



Thats 5.81 MILLION copies. Now, there are 264,265 members on this site, and only a fraction of those are active, and only a fraction of the active are active in the Skyrim section. There are about 500 people at any given time on these boards, I'll be generous and say half complain. Thats 250 people. So on average 0.0043% of the people who bought the game, are complaining about it here. I don't think Beth has anything to worry about.

Even if every member of this board signed up purely to complain, thats still only, 4.6% of everyone who plays the game

Now, this is the THIRD time I've posted this, in the same exact thread about why so many people hate the game (the search function is your friend)

Great, I'm not the only old-fart. We should start our own thread and gripe about how confusing new controllers are and pine for the old days of the joystick with a single button for everything. Oh, and let's not forget about true "immersion" games -- TEXT. On second thought, nah.

That's nice, but you seem to forget the science behind polling; that is to say, a minority of people can represent the majority of opinion. So until a scientific poll is done, using an adjusted sample of players, you can spout all the statistics you want--they simply won't mean anything.

What are you trying to prove anyway?

Isn`t it obvious? that only a fraction of people actually complain about this game, in response to the OP`s question..

Only a fraction of people don't complain. I can do it too.

Beth indeed probably doesn't have anything to worry about because they're appealing to a wider audience, which is what's pissing a lot of people off in the first place. People are probably upset because Beth has nothing to worry about and can continue doing this.

There's a fine line between complaining and constructive criticism. It can make and break games. Believe it or not, Bethesda and other companies listen to their fans, when they look at mass feedback. Those of us who can find something that can be done better or think can be done better, can be taken into consideration for future projects. It's worse when these threads come out looking for an ego boost, and usually have nothing to do with discussing the game itself.

The longer the public has to play the game, the more people will learn the truth about this game. The majority of people simply do not have the time to invest to get to the game breaking situations as fast as some.. Eventually...they will hit the unplayable wall. Let's see what happens then. The minority of people (most of which are represented here in the forums) tend to be more of a hardcoe gaming audience. This would ultimately leave me to believe that we spend more hours playing this game than the average person, therefore we discovered these issues far faster than the average gamer. When the rest of the public catches up to us, then there will be a much larger percentage of unhappy customers. If I had only played 60 hours and had a 9-10 MB save file I would be praising this game as the best video game ever made. Unfortunately...I play on the PS3, have over 120 hours invested, have a save file over 16MB, and can no longer play my game due to lag, and hard crashes.

Possibly because many ES fans started with Arena and Daggerfall were hardcoe roleplayers
as both were pretty hardcoe RPGs. Morrowind was the same, with better graphics. Oblivion
WAS a bit simpler, but I still enjoyed it a lot. I like Skyrim too, but can admit it has flaws that
do hurt my immersion in the game. Oblivion and Morrowind changed in various ways when
major quest objectives were met, and NPC conversations or comments often referenced them.
I was acknowledged as Guildmaster, or Archmage, whenever I visited the Fighter's and Mage's
Guilds. It tends to ruin the immersion in Skyrim, when having become Guildmaster, you are
STILL referenced as a noob by various NPCs. I'm an explorer, so I'm enjoying Skyrim, but it's
quest system is LESS than Oblivion or Morrowind because MAJOR quest completions change
nothing in Skyrim, and since it's a single player RPG and not an MMO, it SHOULD alter things.
It helps immersion to be greated as Guildmaster, or even Thane, when you reach that rank.

Starkiller

There, fixed that. For truth.

Really?? Just like they did with Fall Out new Vegas?? Sure....they read their feedback but don't do anything about it.

Over 150% of people who played Skyrim want to sue Bethesda for damages.

This isn't a poll, these are statistics. Even if we take http://www.metacritic.com/search/all/skyrim/results into account, the vast majority of players gave it an 8 or above, that is exceptional. Now PS3 players seem to have gotten screwed, that is partially Beths fault and partially the way the PS3 is designed (memory is split). So their frustration is justifiable because after a certain amount of time their game goes to [censored]. You can do the math for yourself, the VAST MAJORITY of people playing this game love it and do not complain.



I personally love the direction they took Skyrim. Also, the nature of the game is money, so yeah, they are gonna try and get as much as they can.


You guys can claim whatever you like but the numbers are there for everyone to see, people enjoy the game and the loud minority are the ones that dont, the silent majority are playing while you are complaining.

P.S. Yes I do know the difference between complaints and criticisms, but it would seem that this board is equal parts with a dash of love, so don't bother lecturing me about it.

I don't so that kills that number

25% of those who bought the game think it didn't come close to living up to the hype and therefore complain. Slightly more than your 1% figure.

I make this claim with absolutely zero factual data and zero personal knowledge of statistical anolyzation. BUT! I did see a thread about it where at least 100 people agreed with the sentiment. And because there are, at any given time, between 400 and 500 people on the board, 20-25% is a rock solid, irrefutable statistic.

/sarcasm

Also, I hate the internet and the idiocy its anonymity breeds.

When you look at how many units sold up against how many people are in the forums, it's a small percentage.

When you look at the complainers int he forums, it's an even smaller percentage.

Other than the PS3 players (who have a legit gripe with Bethesda), some people just had unrealistic expectations for this game.

This made me LOL

6 out 5 people are upset with Skyrim

* Math needs to learn how to solve its own problems*

Because threads like these are made making them talk up again, Like I would imo.