Yes, a large fraction. And by fraction I mean 99.6%, perhaps more.

Which is why I'm slightly less angry at Beth and more at people's tastes. Well, "angry at" really isn't the right term, perhaps "saddened by".

Ready for it? Millions, taken from a total population, are guess what? A fraction. For truth.


I can give the game an 8 and still have criticism. Despite your final remark, you still don't seem to understand that complaints, criticisms, and concerns do not indicate a lack of support or praise. Those vast majority of players are still only a small group of the whole who are playing. Can you give me concise numbers on the amount of people playing to the amount of people responding to threads on the forum? And of those, a percentage of how many submit only praise--or only complaints? Of those, how many are complaining because they hate/dislike the game as opposed to those who just want to see it improved upon?

The point is, there's no way to know who is in the minority or the majority until real polling is done beyond counting the online status of a forum. To understand, really, what's behind the praise and complaints, you would have to poll with a field of questions that serve to sort out the demographics behind those polled.

In other words, your statistics are still meaningless and don't really help the discussion beyond labeling one group over another.

And in other places, Skyrim is winning awards from gamers who love it. An award-winning game is what I'm playing. Every time I turn around, I learn something new in the game that shows me what depth it has. It's only been a month and no one can know everything about this game in one month so there's a lot of invalidation with some complaining. Now, I'm off to find what I need so I can exit a Dwemer ruin without having to go back to the entrance again. (lightbulb)

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Also, general inquiry: what are the people who are arguing about the percent of people who complain about skyrim on the gamesas forums trying to prove?

That you can't prove anything with numbers on this board.

This.

I'm also getting tired of people complaining about other people complaining.

Cheers

I agree with the OP, Skyrim is pretty amazing and definitely the best game in the series.

Again, if everyone that has EVER signed up for these boards did so purely to share their complaints, criticisms, and concerns, that would still be only 4+% of the total people who have bought this game.


I am simply trying to convey the fact that the vast majority of people are not complaining, rather, they are enjoying the game for what it is. I am quite tired of the "Why are so many people complaining" threads and I would like to attempt to put them to rest, so we can get to the more serious matter of critiquing and sharing our concerns and hopes for future titles/DLC as well as what we would like to see in patches and updates.

I know what you mean. I get tired of people complaining about other people complaining about people complaining.
It`s a never ending circle really.

God, can we please [censored] stop with the people complaining about the people who are complaining about other people who are complaining about the people complaining about the game?

It doesn't matter which way you turn it, theres always some downplay going on.

"Oh no its just a tiny fraction ignore them"


"oh because all the real fans are enjoying the game, this is just the vocal Minority"


always something trying to badmout of discredit anyone who has a critic. and its sad beacuse at a failed attempt to avoid being flamed, have to put a disclaimer how they like the game because if you don't your labled as a hater. it just doesn't make any sense how prevelant it is, can't someone have an opinion?

This will be my last word on the matter.

Correct, if we based this solely on the number of people registered on the forum, it would be a small number compared to those who purchased the game. Yet, that figure doesn't take into account how many people playing the game, yet not registered on the forum, have complaints about the game. Nor does it take into account the number of people playing the game and registered on the forum who feel disinclined to post criticism for one reason or another.

Is this making any sense at all? You can't just throw around population counts and extrapolate meaningful numbers. You actually have to go out and sample a group of people (registered, unregistered, playing, playing and happy, playing and unhappy, etc), and even then, draw conclusions based on your findings.

My only gripe is people who devalue or marginalize complaints by saying the people who complain or are dissatisfied only make up a tiny minority. We simply don't know that.

You just complained

On a serious note, there are people with some genuine complaints who post here, perhaps with problems due to their hardware, certain bugs they encountered or even have constructive critisicm why they didn`t like the game, fair enough.
It`s the ones that just post the same old negative type stuff every day on here that can be really annoying...some are even old forum vets and just come across as bitter types who are just pissed because it didn`t turn out like their favourite old TES game.

Thats why I also posted a link to Metacritic, which by your standards holds truer numbers. See the game ratings and opinions from thousands of people for yourself, the majority of which Im sure have no idea these boards even exist.

It's a bad day to try and argue logically guys...

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That seems like a bit of a non sequitur. There was a lot I disliked about The Hunger Games and elements of the last harry potter book that bothered me as well. I complained about neither of these things on any kind of public forum. The people complaining here are the vocal fans who care enough about the series to complain (and possibly some other people), though that's not to say there aren't tons of people who have the same complaints that just don't say anything about it.

I also don't know that people who complain and people who enjoy the game for what it is are mutually exclusive groups. I complain about stuff I don't like about the game here, but I also continue to play the game (at 75 hrs atm I think), and I think I do appreciate it for what it is.

To the OP every game that has ever been made has been complained about, you can go to any dev's website and go on their forums and you would think their game must be the most hated in the world. You just have to keep in mind that complainers will always be louder than non complainers because non complainers are ususaly playing the game instead of posting online. Skyrim is an awesome game and I am sure most people that have played it have loved it but at the same time you can't ever please everybody so it is inevitable that there will be complainers.

lmao, I was scrolling through this stuff while formulating a reasoned response.....don't need to. Couldn't have said it better myself! I been playing a long long time too....and most times I don't want to contribute to vast majority of useless carping or whatever so I don't post anything or comment on the rants. I wouldnt be surprised if that is how most players feel. My advice is to do as Ohden says, and take it for what it is and just enjoy yourself with what this game provides. If you don't like the game, fine. Stop playing, stop posting here and move on to the next one! =)

This.

Yeah, I can't stand that I can't exploit directions in quests anymore.

People just love to bash what other's love.

Sports fans have been doing this since the beginning of time.

The internet has simply provided a much easier method for the average person to have their voices heard.

Sometimes, we just don't want to hear them.

The fact that the complainers are still here tells us that they are lonely and bored and like the comraderie they have found with the other haters. But hating for enjoyment purposes if pretty [censored] up regardless.