Well I am pretty Happy with Skyrim as well...except for the fact that even after i killed ulfric they still talk about the war etc.....

and that even after i become the arch mage....they talk to me as if i a recruit....you know the standard things that make an RPG a RPG....plot progression....Skyrim has none of it.....except for some anecdotes the guards spiel out that is....and this is my first play through.....as those were the only "guilds" i completed the legion and the college....

Really breaks the immersion..... :huh: :brokencomputer:

Yes, you do. It's called common sense.

The people with bugs are going to be much more vocal than the people who can actually play the game.

Now, look around the forums. Most polls are still in favor of Skyrim even though the ones with bugs are going to be more vocal. What does that tell you?

What you should of said, is that we simply don't know the exact %. But people with game breaking bugs are definitley the minority, I can say that confidently.

The main thing that bothers me about these forums is that because of the large amount of rage, people cannot see the legitimate complaints against the game. While I think the game is a good game, I also see that it has many problems that could and possibly should be fixed. Not all of these are universally agreed upon, but some of them could not do anything but help. For example, nobody would complain if the Main Quest was more epic, or if the Companions or Mages College questlines were longer, or if Destruction scaled to the endgame. People wouldnt complain, because they wouldn't even notice. The complaints just wouldn't be there in the first place.

There are other more debatable things, such as smithing and enchanting that bother some people, but not others...however, is it too much of a stretch to think that bethesda could come up with a solution that pleases enough people to reduce the complaining parties from a vocal minority to a few posts per MONTH, rather than per day?

Skyrim is a great game, I'm not arguing with that. But IN MY OPINION, it could have been so much better. And I can see just how it could have been. And that's why I complain.

If you want to know why someone is complaining, then read his complaint. If the reason for his complaint isn't clear, then ask him to clarify it.

Internet = Complaining

This.

Agree that! But, like they say....there are 3 kinds of people in the world...
1. those that can count,
2 and those that can't

Moorcock is the man!

I just finished reading Sailor on the Seas of Fate for like the 20th time =P

and those that cannot help but point out obvious flaws.....you are missing a number.....

Hah Hah...totally stealing that!!!!

It's supposed to funny =)

Somehow, since I was born, I have ALWAYS known that I would never be psychic.

So am i the only person who has issues with the fact your actions account for nothing in skyrim....and does not get acknowledged....not every whimsical action...but something as major as killing ulfric or making him high king etc....

I hope this is a valid complaint....

Indeed Sir! and +1 on your extremely good taste! Arioch would like to thank you for your patronage

Consider TES games are like pizza:

Morrowind gave you the ability to choose several different styles of pizza, but if you tried deep dish (Thieves' Guild), you had a narrow window to make things nice if you wanted to try crustless (Fighters' Guild). Other styles (the Great Houses) prevented the system from ever letting you try another style on that customer ID (free and infinite, but you lose your "customer rewards" aka progress). You had 27 toppings (skills) to choose from, and if you chose "ham" (long blade), you could get it sliced or cubed (one- or two-handed). As you ordered enough pizzas, you got to choose bonuses to 8 components (attributes). You could work on getting "the perfect pizza", but no one else in town had pizza comparable, so you didn't necessarily care.

Oblivion lets you try whatever, but there are only 21 toppings, and there's a bunch of hoodlums slinging up mean pizzas. Some people felt more compelled to maximize their pizza. Ham now also covers bacon (short and long blade merged) and so forth. In the end, many people feel like all of their pizzas are the same, but it is also undeniable that Nerevarine Pizzeria's ordering system led to people having severe problems with nailing what they wanted. Periodically, CoC Pizza offered loyal customers new options with their toppings. Many fans of Nerevarine Pizzeria felt those options shouldn't have been dependant on how many times you ordered a specific topping, and really wanted pineapple on the menu.

Skyrim only gives you "crust", "toppings", and "cheese and sauce" to improve, and only offers 16 toppings. You have to order generic "sliced pig meat" before you can get a minor influence on whether that is ham or bacon or pork sausage. The deep dish pizza is smaller than Champion of Cyrodiil Pizzeria made, pineapple hasn't been available since Nerevarine Pizzeria was in business, but on the other hand, we can get our pig meat specialized 57 ways. It's just that we have to choose "20% more pig meat" to pick "10% chance of extra bacon", or "bland cheese costs 50% as much" to get to "aged cheese costs 50% less" and "can order extra cheese".

The new system might be great, if you want some of those options. On the other hand, if you were a loyal customer of CoC Pizzeria, you might be put off by the inability to manage your toppings separately. If you were a Nerevarine loyalist, you miss your pineapple, and the ability to order ham AND bacon.

So... people are complaining because Skyrim doesn't necessarily offer them the options they liked on their TES pizza, or just plain can't order what they want (even if it is on the menu)

well many complaints is due the many gamebreaking bugs and the total [censored] of the ps3 version, and horrible texture problems on some of the xbox versions.
I for one love the game, but I do feel the npc and many quest are very,very shallow. The gameworld itself is beautiful, but most of the people within it has no personality in them .
For my skyrim has the look but not the soul I miss from Morrowind and Daggerfall, still a great game but many things could have been done allot better.

I am not sure how that is common sense. Complaints can come from people who love the game and have no game breaking bugs. Are the people who are having game breaking bugs in the minority, sure. But that has nothing to do with the topic of people having complaints in general being in the minority so I don't see your point or how it connects to common sense.

I'm not usually one to pipe in on a long-winded type-brawl like this but...

I was traveling near the base of the throat of the world up from the rift. I happened to look up and see a water fall that fell from hundreds of feet above me. Then there was the terrace of the rift far above that. Then hundreds of feet above that was the peek of the "Throat". The sheer scale and scope of it all actually made me choke on my own spit a little.

Any game that can do that is good in my book.

Yes it has bugs.

Yes it is not perfect.

Skyrim has some nags, but I dare you... I DARE you to go play something like "Two Worlds II" for 30 minutes (or until you want to skewer your own eye balls for dinner) and then come back to Skyrim and see what you think. Skyrim IS a fantastic game despite it's flaws and, with a small amount of hope, with patches and updates it will get better.

As for now I am adventuring in Skyrim and loving every minute of it.


On an aside... I relate Skyrim to an early CG animated movie that sort of makes you uneasy when you watch it... it is "close" to reality, but there are small peculiarities and anomalies that kind of throw the immersion off. I can only hope that Skyrim is an only a sample of things to come from Bethesda. With a new console generation on the horizon, I am sure we are all in for fantastic things to come.

The reason you see so many complainers on the forums is because they are the only people on the forums to begin with...everyone else is too busy playing the game.

But they sure are loud.

Its all the console people and me, the PC people have zero problems and dont give no crap.

People in a game forum complaining is nothing new.

Negatives are easy to spot than positives.

As for Skyrim, the negatives outweighs the positives for those familiar with the TES games.

Why are so many people complaining?

Because that's what gaming forums are for.Seriously....

Go to just about any gaming forum and you'll observe the trend.

These type threads are becoming mor common than the criticisms and quite frankly, more annoying. Why do you care so much if someone else does not feel the same way as you do about the game?

Let the priasers post their thoughts and let the critics post theirs as well and stay out of each others business. Geez.

Some people come here because they have something to say and some people come here only because they have to say something, can’t we all just get along? Or barring that agree to disagree?