why are so many people slamming the game : V - Skyrim

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:43 am

Because they're discontented with flickering shadows, loss of immersion to silly things and of course you have a crowd who has real issues but doesn't act like a snobby 12 year old but always ends up with that one person going "OMFG TIS GAEM IS AWFOOL IT R HAVE BUGS AND SUX ANY1 WHO TINK IT GUD IS DUMP"

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:14 pm

Why? How about because I don't like random crashes to my desktop after I forgot to save for half an hour? Or because of how the broken perk trees shoehorn you into cookie cutter builds if you want to have any chance at all of surviving on Master? Or because of how some of the perks are just completely and utterly worthless?

There are a lot of good things to be said about the game, but there are also a lot of glaring issues that should have been realized and taken care of before it was ever released.

edit: Oh, and how could I forget the [censored] console interface ported over to the PC, along with it's [censored] graphics limitations? And what about the now mandatory Steam connection requirement to play the game? [censored] you, I'm not a criminal, don't treat me like one. Then of course there is the almost endless list of bugs, though thankfully being on a PC I can console my way out of most of them.

All in all it adds up to this being the last Bethesda game I will ever be buying.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:22 pm

No it's not, but if someone wants to Rant and Rave about how bad the game is, he can Rant about how those people are dumb, not complicated is it?

People who complain about the game usually have something specific that they're getting across. It's like "I don't like the lack of a class system" or "I don't like how OP this is" or something like that, something that's conducive to conversation. The only thing I saw in the OP was "I don't understand why people don't like the game", and if that's the case he should just go read the threads those people start. He didn't say like, "I think smithing is fine, I don't understand what these cry babies are complaining about", or "Seriously, you're clinging to the past with your stupid class system? Perks are fine, grow up".

So that's the difference.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:37 am

I haven't seen a lot of people slamming the game. I've soon a few posts on these forums both with legitimate gripes and whiny nitpicks and the occasional insane person ranting. I do see a lot of people on the forum whining about people complaining though, which is pretty funny in its own way. In short, why do you care what other people do or say about something? Mind your own business and life will go much better for you.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:12 am

Because they want a perfect experience.

Imagine TES 6 being much better than Skyrim. People will complain, because it won't be perfect.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:33 pm

People who complain about the game usually have something specific that they're getting across. It's like "I don't like the lack of a class system" or "I don't like how OP this is" or something like that, something that's conducive to conversation. The only thing I saw in the OP was "I don't understand why people don't like the game", and if that's the case he should just go read the threads those people start. He didn't say like, "I think smithing is fine, I don't understand what these cry babies are complaining about", or "Seriously, you're clinging to the past with your stupid class system? Perks are fine, grow up".

So that's the difference.

That's all pretty much the point everyone tries to get across, people think that a few bugs on a game of this scale, make it worthless, I myself hate all the flaming of the game, no one has asked anyone to buy it or said that if you didn't like it you have to flame on the forums. And maybe he didn't give a serious reason, but if he wants to post about complainers, then fine, if complainers are going to complain about the game, someone is going to complain about them complaining.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:20 am

but i am reading nothing about the bugs and stuff, all i see is how bad this games svcks comparing it to whatever and i am just asking a question about it so relax trolls first off. i gotten like 3 messages calling me a little "______" that knows nothing about gaming. so everyone just calm down and relax i did not mean to start to online argument in a form because no one will win that one. so sorry for asking a question. gezz

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:38 am

no one has asked anyone to buy it

No, but having already bought the game, it is extremely frustrating to have to deal with [censored] interfaces, random crashes and game breaking bugs. I paid for a finished product; what I got was not a finished product. That is a valid complaint.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:09 pm

That's all pretty much the point everyone tries to get across, people think that a few bugs on a game of this scale, make it worthless, I myself hate all the flaming of the game, no one has asked anyone to buy it or said that if you didn't like it you have to flame on the forums. And maybe he didn't give a serious reason, but if he wants to post about complainers, then fine, if complainers are going to complain about the game, someone is going to complain about them complaining.

There's nothing wrong with complaining about complainers in general. My point is that forum topics should be conducive to conversation. Asking about something specific, making a point, etc are all things conducive to conversation. Saying "I don't understand what people are complaining about" isn't so much because you can just read the threads where people complain and then bam you've got your question answered. Again, if you make more of a point in your OP, like if you talk about why you think the game is fine, why you think complainer's complaints are invalid or you disagree with them or whatever, then that's more conducive to conversation.

Also, there's a difference between criticizing something and flaming. Levying criticism also does not immediately imply that you don't like the game.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:54 pm

No, but having already bought the game, it is extremely frustrating to have to deal with [censored] interfaces, random crashes and game breaking bugs. I paid for a finished product; what I got was not a finished product. That is a valid complaint.

Truly it is, i myself had some small glitches and bugs, but nothing gamebreaking, and the game was finished, but there is always something going to happen when a game this big comes out, i have it for the 360 and i didn't have backwards dragons, or anything like that, but i did have the Bookshelf disappearing and my dragon flew into outer space, while he was dead, it was rather funny to me and sometimes its frustrating, cause out of the 10 dragons i have killed, i probably only got like 3 souls, and the other 7 would have been nice to have, but the bodies just didn't burn away.

Plus one time I hurt a dragon enough were he crashed down, and it was in the Labyrinthian, and after he crashed down, there was some type of invisible shield around him that wouldn't let me shoot spells arrows, or even walk through to kill him. There are bugs yes, and people are going to complain, but if someone wants to complain about complainers then that's fine, plus the OP already said he didn't want to have a mess.

P.S. What system do you play on?

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:53 pm

There's nothing wrong with complaining about complainers in general. My point is that forum topics should be conducive to conversation. Asking about something specific, making a point, etc are all things conducive to conversation. Saying "I don't understand what people are complaining about" isn't so much because you can just read the threads where people complain and then bam you've got your question answered. Again, if you make more of a point in your OP, like if you talk about why you think the game is fine, why you think complainer's complaints are invalid or you disagree with them or whatever, then that's more conducive to conversation.

Also, there's a difference between criticizing something and flaming. Levying criticism also does not immediately imply that you don't like the game.

Ya that is all true, but flaming is going to come from someone criticizing someone else, the worst posts are, "Stop complaining about complaining", if you have something valid to state about the OP's post then state it, otherwise there's no point in making a point that limits someone from doing something when other people do it all the time, but no one wants to make anything specific either, they just want a chance to rant about how something happened to them, everyone does it once in a while.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:20 pm

appreciated, but you're complaining about complaining.

This response is such a "cool" and "inteligent" response.

As if you're perfect.

Sometimes you have to ask or let out how you feel just like the ppl who have to let out that they are disgusted with the game.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:23 am

Truly it is, i myself had some small glitches and bugs, but nothing gamebreaking, and the game was finished, but there is always something going to happen when a game this big comes out, i have it for the 360 and i didn't have backwards dragons, or anything like that, but i did have the Bookshelf disappearing and my dragon flew into outer space, while he was dead, it was rather funny to me and sometimes its frustrating, cause out of the 10 dragons i have killed, i probably only got like 3 souls, and the other 7 would have been nice to have, but the bodies just didn't burn away.

Plus one time I hurt a dragon enough were he crashed down, and it was in the Labyrinthian, and after he crashed down, there was some type of invisible shield around him that wouldn't let me shoot spells arrows, or even walk through to kill him. There are bugs yes, and people are going to complain, but if someone wants to complain about complainers then that's fine, plus the OP already said he didn't want to have a mess.

P.S. What system do you play on?

I play on a PC, which is both a source and a relief of a lot of my frustration. It's a relief because I can console out of a lot of bugs (for instance, the companions induction quest bugged on me and just froze me in place after they all finished talking. I had to use the console to manually advance the quest) but then it's extremely frustrating because I absolutely despise the piss poor job they did of porting the interface. The game should have been made for the PC first, end of story.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:09 pm

the bad patch has a lot to do with it, i love the game, i took out the bad batch in order to somehwhat be able to enjoy it still, but mostly the bad patch, the first patch, the day it came out, the game worked good one, apart from the patch problem, i like the game just fine, other than a few quest and npc bugs, i like how they made it, i would of liked to see a little more done with winterhold, dawnstar and marthal but the rest if fine to me. i find it fun and immersive, some of the battles and dungeons are epic. the equipment is skills are fun, it might be a bit dumbed down, no luck or perception attributes but the perk system is well thought out i think and i like the rpg aspect of it pretty good, the map kinda svcks in a way, too many clouds and they way it works isn't the most functional.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:46 pm

Blind devotion to anything is useless. It gets "slammed" because we're hoping that maybe next time, someone will pay attention to what's said and adjust accordingly. These days, accepting something that's faulty and saying "Oh well, that's just the way it is" doesn't fly anymore.

If you bought a new car and it kept breaking down, the proper response wouldn't be "Oh well, I must not know how to drive" or "My windshield wipers keep getting stuck in the middle of the window. That's ok, I guess, I can still see. Except when it rains." You would take it back to the dealer and say "What is going on here?"

This is our way of saying "What is going on here?"

True, some people have no tact or ability to interact with others in a constructive manner, but unfortunately, that's a fact of life no matter what you're dealing with. That doesn't negate the fact that most people here make very good points.

» Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:09 am

"Game crashes on the cart in the intro" = Hi! I Cracked/Pirated the game

"Game crashes all the time" = Hi! I edited the ini and changed ugridstoload

"Stuff flies around, animations are broken [etc]" = Hi! I edited the ini and changed ipresentInterval

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:38 pm

i know there is a few bugs with the games like for me a few dragons flying backwards, but all i see in the forms is how bad the game svcks and i dont see why it svcks. i looked and looked for the "crappy things about the game" and i dont see them. all i see is people ether svcking at the game, or people trolling to get a point across about how they want the game to be, [censored] it won GoTY in the VGA, gametrailers.com. so why do you guys have to complain about how bad the game svcks when alot of the people dont even see where you are coming from.

and to the bugs groups that only base a game off that. i only had one major bug and that is the dragons flying backwards. and the un-drop able items that have weight

Have you ever played Daggerfall and Morrowind?

It's a BROKEN RPG. That is why the complaints are happening.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:18 pm

Because they want it to be exactly like morrowind with updated graphics

Because they're nerds

Because they are made that its not exactly what they want it to be

Statements like these have 0 basis in fact and really need to stop because they never help anything.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:09 pm

I don't slam the game, I love the game.
I slam the bugs and the way Bethesda communicates with us, although there was one effort of good communication from them they are back to their old way's!

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:57 pm

Just yesterday I got my first framerate drop (Xbox 360)... it lasted around a minute and everything went normal after that. I think it's related to loading the world, foliage, a lot of graphics, pathing (I was doing an escort quest) and a Dark Brotherhood Assassin that tried to kill me. Basically, when the game tries to do a lot all of a sudden, that's when things go ape[censored]. Aside only a dead dragon spawning every now and then outside Whiterun, an armor incorrectly named as 'boots' and that's it. No drunk dragons either, no weird Lethrush (or whatever) spawning, no oddities, aliens, etc.

IMHO if it's that hard on the hardware, they shouldn't have such an organic (or should I say random?) world with 3 - 4 events happening at once when I can play for hours just strolling through mountain flower fields with virtually nothing to do (and by this I mean no Radiant quests, no bandits, wolves, creeps, mammoths, nada to fight/fetch/kill). Why trigger everything at once?

Also, graphics are very cool, but I paid for a game, not a movie. I want more gameplay, not some 'ohhh' and 'ahhh' effects every now and then. Games nowadays feel more like interactive movies than interactive entertainment software. I feel PS3 users because they got the worst of the bunch (most, not all). Matter of fact, the only reason why I can still play is because I never updated to v1.2. Does that not sound like enough? Go read some threads on these very forums.

And be thankful you have no game-breaking bugs. I don't either, but I'm not implying the rest of the world is trying to [censored] me. Go play.

my PC handles the game just fine. we dont need more stuff taken out so that it plays smoothly on the consoles. we have already lost so much because it was designed around the xbox. they should have 2 different versions to be honest. the PC version could have open cities, more npcs (unnamed and not quest releated) and much bigger fort battles for the civil war missions cause they were a total joke. the console versions could be left with the bare bones to run.

if more companies like DICE tell microsoft and sony to svck it and make a PC version that utilizes current technology at some point they are going to be forced to finally replace their ancient systems. its hurting games right now.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:01 pm

I'd also like to see the games designed for PC specs rather than console limitations.

On the the other hand I don't want any of the things you've suggested. So yeah.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:09 am

"Game crashes on the cart in the intro" = Hi! I Cracked/Pirated the game

"Game crashes all the time" = Hi! I edited the ini and changed ugridstoload

"Stuff flies around, animations are broken [etc]" = Hi! I edited the ini and changed ipresentInterval

"Posting ignorant and irrelevant comments" = Hi! I'm a troll!

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:05 pm

I don't think so.

9/10 times that'll be a pretty accurate diagnostic.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:42 pm

Because it does a lot of things, and it does them most of them ALMOST really really well. Most of the game mechanics suffer from some really minor number balancing and other stuff that small tweaking can resolve.

Graphic and the world setting is portrayed amazingly, but the actual content and the rules that you use to navigate through... errr... not so much.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:41 am

Video game forums usually contain high concentrations of the negative, vocal minority. Listen to me when I say these two terms:

Content, Silent Majority.

Negative, Vocal Minority.

There has actually very few complaints circling around about Skyrim, it's just the fact that the negative, vocal minority flocks around game developer'd official forum. This is Bethesda's official Skyrim forum, so the people that are determined to complain will undoubtedly end up here.