I agree with that. TES games promise so much "come live in another world" and eventually you're going to have your illusions shattered. Happened to me back in '94.

i want open cities for the inevitable dragon mount mod that will come out. i have a velociraptor drive so loading screens are only for a second and people with SSDs probably dont even get loading screens. i just want it for the cool mods coming soon. they had an open cities mod for oblivion but it took along time to be completed and it had issues with NPCs, at least early on i switched to better cities half way through.

Wow, really devoted fan much? I guess it's easy to ignore the rounds of bug/glitch/interface complaints when you limit yourself to living in a bubble.

edit: haha, oh wow, so they actually filter specific non-vulgar phrases on here too? Wow, somebody's a bit touchy.

Hehe sorry im in a mood. I'd like to see daggerfall (the promised daggerfall not the rushed release) with skyrim art/graphics.

Not going to happen with consoles, dx9 or current engines

This forum seems to be more for people that want to vent about how Skyrim isn't what they expected or that Skyrim doesn't run on their PC than it is a forum for people to discuss what they like about the game and what cool stuff they did or are planning to do. I'm not saying everyone should praise Bethesda and I like to read the rare constructive discussion about what things could/should have been better or can be patched to be better.

But a lot of a lot of thread on this forum are just obsessive complaining and whining. Honestly, I don't see why people feel the need to come to a forum to explain to others why they should not enjoy a game. It surely makes this forum a drag to read from time to time. But hey, that's the internet for you.

It's in the hopes that the people that designed the game might take a look and actually do something to improve upon it.

OP, the amount of people slamming the game pales in comparison to the amount of people contentedly enjoying it. Opinions seem so one-sided because people who enjoy the game would much rather play it than listen to people ragging on it. The only people complaining are the people who dislike the game and have nothing better to do.

...and yeah, the forum is a total drag to read nowadays. It'll pass as the haters get bored and the true fans dig even deeper and have more stuff to post about. I'm only posting now because I'm bored at work.

Maybe off topic, but how does a game win GOTY, when its buggy and support minimalistic??

No, it's not that I am a really devoted fan (I know what you meant) of the Elder Scrolls. I'm just familiar with how these type of things work. I have not seen widespread complaint about Skyrim, which leads me to believe that the majority is content. A content majority makes relatively little noise. However, in the video game industry, whether it be console games, PC games, or MMO''s, the minority is always very vocal when a new game is released.

The Elder Scrolls series is a massively open-world RPG bound to have dozens of glitches. I wasn't around this forum the month Oblivion came out, so I don't know how loud this place was. What I do know is that this game attracted a lot of new people to the minority. I'm led to believe (I may be wrong) that the new part of the minority isn't used to all the bugs associated with a game of this scale, which caused a chain reaction that caused a lot more people to become aware of and become upset over bugs that they never would have realized had they not been browsing this board.

I know from a fact from my own experience that anything negative that I've experienced with this new game was only brought to my attention after reading about it here. Although, I honestly don't see what's wrong with the UI. I just played the PC version for the first time last weekend and I thought it was perfectly fine.

Because of perk points of course.
Can't even enjoy leveling up.


If I want to nit pick that's a different story.

1. A price often says NOTHING about the quality of something.
2. What "the masses" think, doesn't have to be right.
3. I don't know, what people you're talking about, but what I saw (and where I participated) is a lot of justified well explained criticism.

I don't think, there are a lot of people, who'd really say "this game svcks" completely, but there are some areas, where it indeed does svck.
Usually people actually explain, why they think, the game svcks in a certain area. So I don't understand, what this useless thread is for.

dont forget that TES fans are very passionate about their games. its similar to watching a couple of nerds argue about who would win a battle a fleet of star trek ships or a fleet of star wars ships........and if their uber nerds they will try and fit babylon 5 in there somehow as well. the irony is that the star trek superfan more than likely likes star wars and vice versa but when it comes to pointing out pros and cons of their respective choices they end up sounding like they hate each others side.

i love skyrim and its easily my favorite TES game even beating out morrowind slightly. however, im very hard on it because i expected so much more especially after coming from Fallout 3 and Fallout NV. the questlines were super short and with the exception of the thieves guild i was able to take over every other guild in less than an in game week and only after a handful of quests. im literally in charge of the only magic school in skyrim and they have known me for all of 5 days. :rolleyes: they completely dropped the ball on dialogue. even assuming that obsidian has better writers (which they clearly do) Fallout 3 had much better dialogue than skyrim. they also missed out on a little of little details like why i can run around in imperial or stormcloak gear in an enemy city, whether as a complete unknown or as someone who just helped sack 2 of their forts, and i get no reaction whatsoever or some comment about where i found the gear. wouldnt you just assume that those couple of guys in imperial armor running towards ulfrics palace, maybe, just maybe might be trying to kill him. the sad thing is all they would have had to do is have a guard question you why are you wearing the gear and if you have done any questlines for the imperials you would have to use persuasion to talk past them. the best thing woudl have to just used Fallout NVs system.

A Star Trek fleet would totally destroy its Star Wars equivalent. Moving on, people like to gripe and I don't know about you, but complaining is fun and I can only gush so long about how wonderful something is before I have to go kick a puppy.

Ahm ... just to name a few points:

1. Worst design ever. Doesn't fit the genre/game.
2. Bad overview on items, no option to sort (also quest-items should get an extra cathegorie)
3. Button-assignment not optimal
For example it would have been better to put stuff IN a container with the same button you take single items OUT of it. The way it's done now, this often happens:
- I accidently eat a potion/ingredient instead of putting it in a container.
- I accidently take EVERYTHING out of a container, after sorting items for 5 minutes, when I only wanted to take out ONE item I accidently stored.
4. No character view, no real view on faction-status, XP, etc.
5. 3D-map would be cool in a science fiction game, but not in a fantasy RPG like Skyrim. Also you can't zoom out far enough, and everything is just white on white (you don't even see streets).
6. Unnecessaryly complicated navigation. Always have to go in an out of cathegories, instead of being able to just switch between them. Same goes for the interface in whole with this "compass", where you have to chose, if you want to access map, magic, items, perk-trees.
7. etc.

The whole UI is a desaster.
It's bad on so many levels, that it's almost unreal to see something like that in a game of 2011.

My bad, I was using an Xbox 360 controller on my game. From my experience, the UI is only bad with a keyboard and mouse. I only played for 1-3 seconds before I plugged in the controller, so I don't think my opinion is very valid. Have you ever considered maybe using a controller? I find it a lot more immersive.

Dragons and head choppin = instant hit.

When you cant play a game past a certain point, you have a right to slam it. Some PS3 owners not connected to PSN will never have the lag issue fixed.

People are slamming this game because it was clearly rushed to meet the 11/11/11 release date. The quests were lacking the depth and length that the previous games had. Bethesda also removed features like spell crafting, which made a lot of people mad. The bugs are also a big reason why people are upset. There are so many problems that it seems unlikely that Bethesda could have missed them while testing the game.

maybe they just like acting like cocks all the time.

Most of the points I mentioned are independant from the controls you use. Also I find Keyboard + Mouse MILES more "immersive" than a controller.
That said, I actually do use a controller (DualShock3 emulating Xbox360) for Skyrim (can't use mouse+keyboard atm).

(One thing to add: Navigation in the perk-trees is an absolute pain ... even with controller.)

Some people are having a lot of troubles getting the game to run. This svcks, it is understandably frustrating, and people enjoying the game shouldn't turn a blind eye to it.

But along the same lines people having a horrendous time getting this to work should remember that many people are playing this without a problem and enjoying it.

Providing people stay within the rules they are free to be critical of the game, so we really don't need a thread questioning this. Considering that this has built up a lot of flaming and other inappropriate posts it's certainly earned itself a lock.