I strongly disagree with this. I don't care how "realistic" or "necessary" it is, if its tedious and boring it is bad gameplay, and shouldn't be in the game, simple as that. Not saying that ousting weapon degradation was a good thing, but I'm sure as hell glad that Oblivions version of it is gone.




I don't see how leveling up fast has anything to do with difficulty.

And it's not complication that modern gamers shy away from, it's pointless activities that add nothing to gameplay. I am all for a realistic game, but I haven't played a game yet where weapon degradation has been handled well.

I just assume now that everytime that I want to sleep, or pass time, I'm doing the mundane things like maintaining my armor and weapons or eating something etc.

*shrug* works for me.

This is one of the stream lining that I totally agree with

I hate repairing stuff for a money sink

Realistically you wouldn't be able to repair gear midstream (while in a dungeon) using only a repair hammer. You would need a grinding tool and a buffering device that you couldn't possibly carry with you. Not to mention the fact that trying to repair weapons and armor midstream and while in a dungeon would take a considerable amount of time and probably alert every living creature to your presence. No, not real at all. I get the fact that armor and weapons need to be repaired but I think you're a fool if you think this is something you can do with repair hammers alone. Its not practical and its not realistic.

Most of the time I spent in Oblivion I would travel with atleast 20 hammers in my pack anyway and if I run out then I would go back and get more before completing a quest or dungeon. It wasn't realistic, it was just annoying when you run out. It didn't make the game more difficult, just more annoying.

its still there lol.. but in adifferent way.

magic weapons degrad... u gotta burn a soul gem to re charge.

i hate that u cant get drunk in the game :dead: my guy drunk like 20 ales and 15 wines and nothing?

You are dead wrong because that isn't even how you repair things in an older ES game, you used a repair hammer not a copy like Fallout 3.

I agree.

You both do realize that people actually enjoy these things you deem "tedious." Not trying to flame but its comments like this that sort of confirm when everyone says theyre dumbing down the games to appeal to a different audience.

People love walking everywhere and taking carriages...fast travel gets added in for those who find it too "tedious" to walk the same path more than once.

Seems like theyre more and more catering the games to people who want to just rush through and get them done asap.

Wouldn't people just use bound weapons then? Summoning it by magic, weightless and no repair.

Don't have it yet but if you have the bow you got range use stamina and you got melee if you withdraw a bond bow you see your hands with spells so you can cast something else with your left hand such as summoning a zombie or atronach than just summon your bow again.

Pretty good not having to use that menu often.

Yeah, I'm of the opinion that some parts were unnecessarily cut out, or overly simplified, but this is once thing that I'm not going to miss. I'm not a fan of any sort of "maintenance" mechanic. I'm looking at you, soul gems.

You think its realistic to be able to repair weapons and armor using only repair hammers while midstream in a dungeon? ROFL.

Do you know what realism is? :biggrin:

Some people would, ever played The Sims or the varous spin offs that are so popular. You honestly think people don't enjoy various types of games, and adding sim elemets to games like TES adds to some people emersion and fun even if you find it tedious.

I'm glad its out.

:D

i like it and hate it. it does add a bit of realism to the game but ultimately imho it's a money and timesink.

someone will mod it in just give it some time.

I'm usually all for realism, but in the case of item degradation, I couldn't stand it, and I'm glad that it's gone. Keeping up with magical weapon charges is annoying enough.

The problem with this logic is that repairing weapons and armor (especially leather armor) using repair hammers isn't very realistic. Hell, magic isn't very realistic either but its still in the game.

If the game was based 100% on reality then if you get shot with a single arrow you should have to reload your game. I get realism, and I agree that I wish these games would be more realistic but you're a [censored] idiot if you think that the repair system in Oblivion was in any way, realistic.

That argument I agree with because you should have to have them profesionally repaired at a blacksmith or even a tailor, but I find it more realistic than wepons and armore that last forever without wareing down. Also I enjoyed being able to increase them witha high enough skill level because if you work with a matirial long enough you should be able to make it better/more effective.

its called having challenge and strategy, as opposed to playing a game that is nothing more than a glorfied hack n slash without the need to think any more than required to click a mouse or pull a trigger. it adds depth and content.

... where are the realism guys when you want them, as much as people were screaming their heads off for opening doors when activating them you'd figure they'd want weapons to behave realisticly.

For me, it falls into the same category as to have to eat, sleep and drink to keep yourself alive and no HP regeneration (like it was in Fo3) and also much more limited inventory capacity. That's where I'd place durability of gear.

Glad it's out. It was a stupid mechanic, which added nothing to the gameplay and was just annoying.

The Problem with repairing is that stuff degraded so fast unless you were a master armorer.

Agree. Just because the repair system was somewhat poorly implemented and tedious before doesn't mean that the only option is to scrap it. Unfortunately, Bethesda seems to prefer taking the "Scrap!" approach with a lot of features rather than figuring out how to improve them instead. Not saying the crafting system is bad (with modders going wild it will probably be terrific), but I was hoping for both degradation and crafting.

Again, this is assuming the mechanic cannot be improved but must stay exactly how it was.

I'm glad it's gone. It was the main reason I started playing Mage characters.

For a lot of people, "fun" means strategic choices, having to use your head and being rewarded for thoughtful play. NOT getting instant gratifications and being rewarded for merely breathing. Through the mouth (e.g. automatic health regeneration).
If I wanted "center screen and click mouse button" "fun", I'd play Modern warfare.