I mean in earlier elder scrolls games dragons where good some even served as merceries for Tiber Septim.

Lore buffs ATTACK!
no but seriously.
The dragons aren't really "Bad" or "Evil" just a force of nature and chaos. you wouldn't call a tornado or flood evil would you?

Akatosh has a pretty awful case of split personality disorder. It's affected his servants as well.

Dragons are like people. There are good and bad ones. Also, bad is a point of view. To the dragons, they are just trying to get a meal.

Also, in Redguard, the dragon wasn't so good, he wanted to kill you and you had to kill him.



Well seeing as how the villain is Alduin not Akatosh and it hasn't been said that the dragons are servants of Akatosh either.

Pretty much.

To be more specific, it's just the way things go. Akatosh creates the world, and Akatosh destroys the world. The time has come for this world to end so that Akatosh can create a new one.

At least as far as I know.

Because they will sell more copies when they have

"You get to fight dragons!" on the cover.

Except in this game you can takeout this force of nature so it can't destroy the world, its sort of the bad guys but also from what i understand the good guys, akaitosh is a dragon/god thats helps you defeat evil, and by the first trailer their seem to be a much bigger more powerful dragon or evil flooding dragon into skyrim, but who knows... i know that bethesda has thought out the story well as they always do, there very good with keeping their story straight and keeping the lore of the land the same as the other games and books outside the game

Alduin is Akatosh. Same god, different name. I'm not the expert on it, though, and that's only my understanding of Alduin/Akatosh. And, as Alduin is the main enemy, it can be assumed that the dragons do work for him.

because marketing. it's generally pretty hard to pitch a creature bent on EATING THE WHOLE OF EXISTENCE as anything but "evil", honestly.

No, no one knows what Alduin is. Anyone who says they know who Alduin is for sure and know his motives is just guessing. There is only one piece of lore that equates them and that was a loose association by a mortal author. People going around spreading misinformation as fact when it isn't really get under my skin.



Well Akatosh didn't create the world. Magnus was it's architect, Lorkhan thought up the very idea of the world and the mortal races and the aedra (which include Akatosh) sacrificed large amounts of their power and even some of them gave up their entire beings, to make Mundus. Akatosh didn't create the world by himself and there is no evidence that Akatosh is going to destroy the world and remake it, especially since it took so much out of the Aedra before to make the world, how would they remake it again? That's not even including the fact that the mortal races worshiping the Aedra are what gives them their power, why would they kill those that give them power?

Bah, people are so simpleminded.

Hey, that's just what I've heard, that Alduin is basically the Nords' name for Akatosh. Again, I'm not the expert, but that's what I've heard.

Ya, the Nords refer to Akatosh as Alduin. Hes the god of time and the apocalypse (infinite loop of creation)

I know, it's just the people that fancy themselves loremasters think that somehow gives them the ability to decide how lore unfolds even though that is BGS's job. There was one book with a sentence that equated Alduin to Akatosh. Those people that believe that is unequivocally truth need to realize that the in game authors are meant be able to be wrong, such as making the assumption that Alduin is Akatosh just because they are both dragons but have nothing in common.



Except that they never referred to Alduin as the god of time, just a destroyer. Also, time is linear, not cyclical in TES mythos. Now, nords do believe in a cycle of creation but that doesn't make it truth seeing as they are the only ones with that belief.

Not I'm not personally going by the dragon part, I'm going by the idea that hes the god of time >> Its hard to have competing aspects of time and keep everything on the straight and narrow.

I'm just gonna link this, and people can read the argumentation on both sides, rather than rehash the debate for the umpteenth time.
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1167116-the-nature-of-alduin/

He isn't the god of time. He was never mentioned as the god of time in any lore. Period. The only thing that Akatosh and Alduin have in common is they are dragons.

oh god i laughed at the irony in this statement and your signature.

Regardless of whether or not "Alduin = Akatosh" is an unfounded conclusion, I think it would be a hell of a lot cooler if it turned out to be true, rather than just the introduction and disposal of a new villain. Yeah, I know Alduin isn't totally "new," but he's still new story-wise, as we've hardly gotten any info on him before now. A hackneyed "good dragon vs. bad dragon" story would very nearly ruin the whole thing unless pulled off VERY expertly.

I don't see the irony.

What's that he's labeled as in http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-five-songs-king-wulfharth Alduin Time-Eater? And he eats the ages of the Nords? Hmm, seems like he has at least some dominion over time, now doesn't he?

Couple this with the question of, "how many pantheons have an Aedric dragon-god that manipulates or outright controls time, (not to mention having extremely similar naming schemes)", mix in the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth for good measure, and it becomes a matter of occam's razor.

Not mentioned as a god of time. Having an effect over time does not Akatosh make. We already know the dragon language can affect time, so does that mean all the dragons and anyone that can use thu'um are all split personalities of Akatosh? Man, Akatosh needs some psychiatric help....

Another thing that shows information as not reliable by the mortal authors in the TES mythos is that it has been said that Kynareth called back Alduin to leave yet now we know that Alduin was banished. See, that is the inconsistencies that allow for the greatness of how lore works in TES and makes it seem more real. We won't know the truth of Alduin until we play Skyrim and see the main quest unfold.

cut the Alduin Akatosh crap everyone, and lets try to explain to the OP why the dragons are not our friends anymore.

I prefer what the Nords think about Alduin = Akatosh. Also note: the fact that Akatosh = Alduin has not been confirmed or denied.

Someone likes to argue. Well a conflict between Shor (who is the Nordic name for Lorkam) and Alduin sounds VERY farmiliar to a conflict between Lorkam (who is Shor) and Akatosh.

I cant really say, I dont really believe the dragons to have a side per se. They are intelligent, obviously, but sound more like chaos given form. Maybe not acting on hatred or anything, but just some unforeseen urge or need.