You do know there is a bear on the actual California State flag right? they may have just modified it...idk the history of the NCR so i may be wrong

Does not matter when, but I think it was at the end of the 1800s that they died out there. Point is if man kind went away. Grizzly Bears would go back there. Heat would not matter because historically Grizzly bears once lived in Nevada, which means they can again. Southern Nevada was not hit that bad so it would be no trouble at all for them to live there. They have mutated hence the two-heads so they could live anywhere really.

As I said in another post a good reason as to maybe why we don't see them is that NCR has hunted them. Grizzly Bears were wiped out by hunters, farmers/ranchers and so on. Just like Wolves. Humans don't like having big predators around their cattle/brahmin.

The Great War started and ended on Saturday, October 23, 2077 (http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Great_War)

The grizzly bear appears on the Flag of California, though they are extinct in the state, the last one having been shot in 1922. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_bear)

Your pic (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Ursus_arctos_horribilis_map.svg) states that "historically" Grizzly Bears lived in Nevada, but gives no time reference for what "historically" is. Even under the best case scenario, it was 155 years between the death of the last grizzly bear and the start of the great war.

I don't see why they would come back to a nuclear wasteland, when they haven't come back yet in "our world". There would be little wildlife to support them and no conservationists to protect them.

1st: You missed my point completely.

2nd: I know when the great war was and I know what the California flag looked like before the war (real life), I am not stupid. You don't need to give me a source about the most basic fallout facts.

My point was. At some point in HISTORY. Grizzly Bears lived in Nevada. They could be found as far south as Mexico. With no humans around due to the Great War, they could have come back to Nevada.

3rd: I am not complaining about there being no bears, I am just saying there COULD BE.

4th: It is possible that there was a Two-headed Bear somewhere back in California which was the reason NCR CHANGED the old pre-war flag!

5th: All I am asking for is one UNIQUE two-headed bear and I don't really care if we get it, I just think it would be cool.

We will always need bears, they are the http://www.bearplanet.org/bear-attack.shtml

Why would obsidian add bears?? that would make the game exciting! a big no no for obsidian. Lets just add some more 'go fetch boy' missions instead! Then just pass it off as good story writing!

or maybe because it is a [censored] desert and the enviromental niche for such a predator is already filled, go take your silly game bashing somewhere else, i am okay with logical reasoned game bashing, i can argue with that, but your just being intentionally hostile.

Worked for Bethesda.

At least thats what they were hoping would happen.

Alright, now that that's all done.

I propose a test, someone has made a yao guai mod i'll bet, put 1 (bears are solitary animals) them against a pack of Mojave predators, packs > lone wolves

There are many coats of arms with dragons, griffons and other mythical creatures on them. Doesn't mean you'll see one of those in the wild.

Heraldic animals are symbols. Representations of power and nobility. They don't have to be real.

Two-headed animals usually symbolize the unity of two principles or forces; in the ancient Roman Republic, for example, the two-headed eagle symbolized the unity of the Senate (i.e. government) and the people. I'd wager that NCR symbolism is along the same lines.

Game wise, though, Deathclaws are a reptilian version of mutated bears (big, hairy, dangerous up close), so actual bears would be superfluous.

There are no bears because I slayed them all.

lol, it's because the desert isn't really a sutiable habitat for bears, huh?

lol this is so true! alot of the missions in NV are pretty pathetic

The same could be said about most quests and the main quest of Fallout 3.

Maybe they werent added because Obsidian likes to keep things logical, unlike Fallout 3.

i dont care about bears being in the game. its the boring repetitive errand boy quests that piss me off. add in all the glitches and freezing and you've got a very poor game. If this game wins any awards it will be a tragedy

I hated how every quest in Fallout 3 was a "shoot them" quest and the only other option besides killing was evil or shooting yourself in the foot, couple that with bugs (Fallout 3 had a lot) and a linear storyline that didnt let you make any choices on your own accord, only preset choices the game forces on you, New Vegas is much more open, and the "errand boy" quests usually have a couple actually palpable options for completing it.

Game Of the Year according to Pc Gamer USA


Yeah, what tragedy :whistling:


If I want to shoot someone all the time

I got Shooters and shoot em ups genres games for that

And is a COURIER

Feth quest is quite obvious don t you think?

Yeah game of the year according to pc gamer! lol hardly the most prestigious award. if my memory serves me well Fallout 3 won GAME OF THE YEAR. i dont want to shoot all the time. i want a good mixture of roleplaying and action. bethesda will provide that with fallout 4. Thats the way the fallout games will be made now, so maybe its you thats playing the wrong game??

Except there was almost no roleplaying in Fallout 3, play the orignal Fallouts before you make a most holy dictation over the proper future for Fallout.

IVE PLAYED THE ORIGINALS! Theres nothing worse than people like you droning on about THE ORIGINALS! They are a thing of the past. and there better left there.

What is SO DAMN BAD about wanting to actually stay with the damn lore? It's attitudes like that that bastardized Fallout 3.

Breaking the lore its cool bro, you know :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

And, thanks to that,

We got "the Burned Game"

fallout has changed for the better. Fallout 3 was far from perfect but NV was just boring! fallout has become one of the biggest selling game out there. Thanks to bethesda. its now bigger than ever before.

how is it for the better? FPS =/= better, abandoning lore =/= better, realitme combat =/= better, disregarding RPG mechanics =/= better, all Fallout 3 did better was exploration, near everything else was better in the originals or superfluous.

Lore FACT.
Every game changes the lore if it doesn't then its a complete and utter failure for not adding anything new to the world.

Fallout 3 abandons lore only in a limited imagination.

Does adding a new strain of super mutants abandon lore? If so then Fallout 2 abandoned lore. It was established in Fallout 1 that the master has trouble creating the super mutants as we know them. Yet the Enclave does it to countless people by accidental exposure in FO2? Sounds like abandoning lore by the way you define it? How does having Elder Lyon's explicitly break ties from the way the west coast BoS abandon lore? They didn't change the way the BoS operated back west. They have the whole story about Elder Lyon's coming to the east and changing how they operated. Hence the outcasts. The vault experiment idea didn't even exist until Fallout 2 so thats "abandoning lore" of Fallout 1.

Just because you don't like that Elder Lyon's decided to remake the BoS a heroic organization devoted to good doesn't mean its abandoning lore, as nothing in the lore says an Elder couldn't do that. Just because you don't like a "secret" experiment being carried out on the east coast involving FEV doesn't mean its abandoning lore. You can't have every secret of the game world revealed in the first title.

Now Fallout Tactics THAT game abandoned lore.


Because the Mojave desert has no black bears to begin with. But Black Bears can be found within a few hours drive of Washington DC.

This is going off topic. If you want to moan about Fallout past, present and the lore there are other topics and forums for it. Leave this thread to the bears.