You mean....READING?!?

Sorry, somebody had to do it.

I said "in" not their own horse armor-esq standalone pack. I'm sure if they where in these "big" DLC packs, they would sell more just on the basis of these weapons being included. Surely as a mod you know how popular this sort
of stuff is around here.

I couldn't care less, but more weapons are always nice.

I don't buy DLC for any game so that's really going to hinder my experience. Oh well.




That was an awfully pathetic attempt at being clever.




What? Crossbows are enhanced versions of bows. They take a little longer to prep but the damage they do is vastly more devastating and depending on the fight, it may be more lucrative than a bow.




You do understand that anything other than a sword is redundant, right (for melee purposes anyways)? Yet we have two-handed swords, two-handed axes, one-handed axes, daggers, etc.




How is it too much to animate? Crossbows alone would be vastly similar to bows and the rest I imagine are small enough to require minimal effort.




Except the question doesn't pertain to just crossbows ergo it would be misleading. Stop posting in threads with off-topic nonsense.

They would still have to create a new design and model for each weapon material, create the firing animation for each crossbow, then the loading animation, then each type of bolt, then the different enchanted versions and then implementing it into the game and tweaking the bugs, all in all, it would be just as much work as anything else. Same with throwing knives, etc...

Wasn't trying to be clever at all. Just trying to illustrate how entitled it sounds when you suggest there is no excuse for the devs not to implement your preferred features.

"there's no excuse for it outside of the lack of a desire to implement variety"

I get small DLC being off the menu, but what about a big DLC with a new story, items, locales ect?

Why would you not buy that? I mean something that has had a lot of work put into it. I was saying maybe they
would be included in one of these bigger packs and not a small one.

because in the time it takes you to fire one crossbow bolt and reload I can fire 3-4 arrows......and bows are cheaper and easier to use besides I doubt the dragons will just sit politely waiting there while you crank up the next bolt in your crossbow...



cant we all just be happy for what we have I mean I miss spears, and bethesda's being really secretive in regards to whether werewolves are in or not.....Im gonna have enough to do when I get game...


ps in morrowind I never used crossbows or throwing knives though that may have been mainly due to how the "hit" system worked regardless I derive more satisfaction from melee kills....its more personal and pleasurable

Except there is no balance here. There is literally only one ranged weapon and it's a bow, the most bland and unsatisfying of all ranged weaponry. I certainly don't expect to see guns implemented (primitive or otherwise) anytime soon but I think asking for crossbows or throwing weapons isn't really that much. As I mentioned in a previous response, anything outside of swords can be considered redundant and/or superficial. Crossbows would have a different look, take longer to load but do more damage.

Maybe, but probably not. At least based on the past.

People wanted them in Oblivion as well. Very similar looking complaints were coming from the forums. They had one massive expansion, like 10 small DLCs and a medium to large sized DLC. Yet, no crossbows or spears.

also crossbows arnt that hard to learn how to use, someone can learn how to use one in 20min so for the game to be accurate it would only be governed by marksmanship till like level 10

You wouldn't only have a longer reload time, you would have to stand still while melee enemies bashed your face in. Which should itself interrupt the process. Which again leads to more face bashing.

I think there could definitely be a place for crossbows in Skyrim. Just not with the Diablo-like auto-crossbow type of mechanics that Morrowind had.

Aiming is hard to learn.

"If magic exists then so too should crossbows"

Worst argument ever. I don't understand how that makes any sense, considering that magic (being non-existant) doesn't have a creation date so, what does that have to do with crossbows?

Is it my preferred feature? No. In fact, I stick to using spells. It's only on occasion that I end up making a hunter of sorts who's primary focus is ranged weaponry.

There really isn't an excuse. Not everyone uses melee weapons and not everyone uses magic. Ranged weapon users have only one option and to me, I just don't see that as being fair.




Because quite frankly, it's nonsense. DLC didn't exist until Microsoft came along with the Xbox 360. It was either in the game or it came out with an expansion. Now developers are purposely gutting content to make some extra cash off gamers. Even if Bethesda isn't necessarily guilty of that, I refuse to support it.




While you might get the chance to fire off three or four shots, there's about a 50% chance (depending on how skilled/accurate you personally are) that your shots will miss. Crossbows are inherently more accurate and the extra damage they cause would be more than enough to make it worth using. How many people just sit there firing a bow? Or blindly stabbing at an opponent? That may have worked in Morrowind but in Oblivion, you had to do a lot of moving around unless you wanted to end up dead.

I don't know why people keep mentioning spears. It's another melee weapon and definitely not the point of this thread.

Your problem is really that you are having trouble admitting that there may indeed be a good excuse.

Your opinion that they did it because they have a "lack of a desire to implement variety" doesn't hold any weight with me. It's almost like you think they are out to upset people that enjoy variety and so they kept it out. Which is so extremely silly when you consider the type of game that Skyrim is.

They svck. Throwing Spears > normal spears = crossbows.

Definitely need more weapon variety. If NV could do spears and thrown weapons, Skyrim can too.

Only if you can't see beyond your own desires. In reality there are plenty of reasons why they don't have a wide variety of ... whatever it is you want in the game.

Except this isn't real life and therefore real world mechanics would not apply. If that's the case then melee combat needs a major overhaul. Getting smacked in the face/head with a large spiked mace would, if not kill you, then disorient you to the point where you would end up dead in the next swing. You don't have to pull back another arrow when getting hit (unless it knocks you back) so why would it be any different for crossbows?




On the contrary, it's a perfectly valid argument. This is a video game, creation dates are highly irrelevant unless they pertain to some part of the lore/story. If you would like to argue about things that make no sense, how about we argue the fact that there are crossbows, throwing knives, throwing stars, etc. in Morrowind yet they cease to exist in Oblivion and Skyrim? The lands aren't that far apart so I can't see trading being an issue. It's only natural for humans to develop better/newer ways of doing things so lack of motivation is out.

Actaully, spears wouldn't be that hard to create. You have it in hand, and press to throw.

Block: hold the block button
Jab: quickly press the attack button
Throw: Hold down the attack button, like a bow, the longer you hold it, the farther it goes


It seems simplistic, but have no idea of the technical stuff.

Who cares about spears and crossbows anyway?

I honestly don't understand why some people complain about stupid things like this. :shakehead:

but games never have to represent lore if it did the landmasses would look way different, and children wernt in Morrowind or Oblivion either, so no one was ever born for the time period between those games

Well for one. Throwing knives are incredibly inefficient weapons. They can't pierce armor and the most they would do to an unarmored target is slightly injure if they don't bounce harmlessly off your body by hitting handle-first. Crossbows I don't really know why they aren't in.

Actually Xbox. You seem to have misunderstood me. Shivering Isles was what I would call a big DLC pack. That would be an expansion to you yes? So if this expansion was not on the shelves, but you had to download it, you wouldn't? It would have the same content and
everything and the same price as it was on the shelf.

To be honest if you wouldn't then I don't get you, I'm sorry. You could say that Shivering Isles included some of the same stuff from the default game, even though it was meant to be another world. Would you call this lazy or does that not bother you that they didn't make all new stuff?

I say that if there is enough content and new stuff that keeps me playing, I will buy it. If it's something like character skins or just new weapons then NO WAY am I paying for that,

Everyone said this in Oblivion too.


Nawp.