why are vampires allied with wolves?

Post » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:49 am

Don't vampires and werewolves hate each other? Why do vampires use wolves as familiars?

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Josephine Gowing
 
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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:31 pm

If I remember correctly, Dracula could transform into a wolf. I also know that he had some control over them, sending them to devour a peasant woman in his courtyard screaming for her son back.

This is probably why vampires are seen with wolves in Oblivion, and the same in Skyrim, though with Dawnguard, you're more likely to see them with Death Hounds instead.
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helen buchan
 
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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:32 pm

Then why do they hate werewolves?

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Khamaji Taylor
 
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Post » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:31 am

Wait, dracula could turn into a wolf? Which mythological sites can you give? Because I'm not to sure about that one. He could form into a bat, even a larger wolf looking bat, is this what you might be talking about?
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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:58 pm

They.. don't, They just view them as a weaker "gift" (curse).

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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:53 pm

If you are a werewolf and talk to Lord Harkon during Bloodline, he says he can smell it on you and purge you of its "filth".

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Darrell Fawcett
 
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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:24 pm

Would make sense. One created by Molag Bal, and the other by Hircine.

Reminds me oddly of Twilight...
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Angela
 
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Post » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:12 am

Because again, he views you as weak. Probably thinks Hircine is lesser than Bal. That's just him really, since he's more aligned with the actual Daedra than most vampires. There's no real vampire/werewolf schism in TES besides Daedric competition/arrogance.

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Kelly Upshall
 
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Post » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:34 am


Dracula was first created as a character in Bram Stoker's Dracula, so I'm not quite sure what you're talking about by "mythological." I read the novel, I remembered it from there, and a cursory check showed that my memory was right -- Dracula can shapeshift into various animals, and does transform in a wolf in the novel.
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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:29 pm


Tis true I can confirm this as well.
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Tamika Jett
 
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Post » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:12 am

While I'm sure they would pick something else if the developers allow them to... But I never see a vampire conjure familiars. I saw lots of raise dead and frost atronachs, rarely storm... But never familiars.

Also... Did you get the assumption that vampires and werewolves hate each other from the Underworld's series? (Or, God forbids... Twilight?) They are both mythical creatures of the night. They both drink blood. According to some sources they are both undead. And in many cultures, vampires are also shapeshifters who can turn into wolves. If anything at all, they should ally with each other to prey on people.

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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:44 pm

Vampires normally can turn into animals, like wolves and bats... So not surprised.

They will end up killing each other due to beliefs... Oh and technically, vampires specifically need human (Humanoid in this case) blood... Werewolves just need to feast on any animal they can find to take care of their animalistic bloodlust.

But anyways. There is one big difference between vampires and werewolves (Well Lycans in general). Especially for those that highly praise their respective Daedric Prince... That being this:

Lycans are most honorable and respective about their prey... They will always make sure that the prey can escape or even win in a fight since they hunt normally for the fun of the chase... If they made it so they can ALWAYS win no matter what then what's the point? Hircine himself even follows this rule and whenever he personal hunts someone, he always make sure they can escape... Also, if the hunt is pleasurable enough to the Lycan, they do seem to respect their prey in some way. (Depends on if the Lycan has full control or not though)...

Vampires on the other end are extremely disrespectful. They don't hunt for the same reasons as Lycans and a lot of times, they like to capture and keep their prey alive, tormenting them for years straight and using them as a 'food source', showing no respect at all to them. Though gotta remember, they were created by Molag Bal who seems to be one of the more evil Daedric Princes who would love and support that kind of stuff anyways... Oh and vampires normally will never let a prey escape. Only way to get away from a vampire is by killing them, otherwise they'll get you on way or another. They wont let you escape like a Lycan might...

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Post » Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:32 am

Yes, Dracula can turn into a wolf. He does so in almost every movie that features him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Dracula#Powers_and_weaknesses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMQoG1KenGM

Also why would vampires and werewolves hate each other? I assume they would only become hostile to one another, if they both seek the same prey. In that case the werewolf would rip the vampire to shreds.

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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:15 pm

Because : http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FurAgainstFang :shrug:

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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:22 pm

Vampire and Werewolves hate each other is in Van Hellsing and Underworld

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Johnny
 
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Post » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:07 am

bcause they are films. they are nothing to do with TES vampires and wolves.
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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:12 pm

I know. I meant in TES. :smile:

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Daniel Lozano
 
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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:31 pm

Yes, a consensus somehow formed over time and some people (trying not to generalize here, but it's hard) tend to apply that, or desire that in order to establish some form of cognitive harmony.

It why some say that Dragons in Skyrim are not Dragons because they are not 4-legged.

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Lyd
 
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Post » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:52 am

Dawnguard was basically TES version of Van Helsing.

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Kate Norris
 
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Post » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:48 am

Correct.

He also can transform into mist and has hypnotic control over the minds of lesser creatures, including bugs, rats, wolves and (some) humans.

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Chelsea Head
 
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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:23 pm

That's probably why they would despise each other. Competition of resources.

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Nathan Barker
 
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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:04 pm

Vampires and Werewolves do not hate each other in TES series. Although, Vampires do find the blood of Werewolves to be a delicacy due to it's unique taste of man and beast mixture, according to one of the books in TES II: Daggerfall.

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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:05 pm

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dean Cutler
 
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Post » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:50 pm

You mean Underworld...

BTW in that particular movie the ONLY reason vamps and lycans (werewolves) are at each others throats is because 1 dude who was lycan was betrayed and royally pissed off by another who was vampire.

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Post » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:57 am

How people take any sort of "Werwolf-Vampire-shism" as granted since Underworld/Twilight. Modern popculture, I hate you.

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