Why aren't Bretons taller?

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:07 am

By the time the men arrived, there were already the sophisticated elves in Tamriel.


Okay, well then scratch that. :)
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:19 am

They breed specifically to resemble the Aldmer

No, they breed as they do because they're royal a-holes, and I do mean royal, if ya catch my drift.
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Angela
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:46 am




1. The Dunmer only had their skin and eyes changed. Not their height.

2. The Altmer are not necessarily the closest approximation of the Aldmer. They try to approximate an ideal but as it goes with ideals, they have no negative qualities. So where some Aldmer were exceptionally tall, some were exceptionally pretty, some were exceptionally good at magic, the ideal Aldmer has all of those.

3. Genetics are somewhat irrelevant in Tamriel as it's a fantasy world where the mothers traits are most dominant.

4. You don't know the height of the Nedes.

5. Other factors then genetics influence height.

So all you could conclude is that the Nedes might have been as tall as the Bretons but not the other way around.

And some Aldmer were exceptionally buff. And look wha happened. *sigh*


http://julia.hanovercomputer.com/toy/nov01/catalog/Uncle%20Sam/pict0082.jpg :P
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Aliish Sheldonn
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:29 pm

And some Aldmer were exceptionally buff. And look wha happened. *sigh*
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Rob
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:31 pm

it's cause they are french... uuh O_O
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:11 am

it's cause they are french... uuh O_O

no their british
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elliot mudd
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:34 am

I refuse to beleive Bretons are British. It defies all logic and plausibility...































... The British could never come up with such longwinded names.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:34 am

Ainsborough-upon-Tyne?
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CHangohh BOyy
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:27 am

If Bretons are crosses between Aldmer and Nords, why are they the same size as Imperials? Shouldn't they be taller?


Its beacuse the Bretens are descended from the Direnni and the indigenous Nedes, not the Altmer and the Nords. Since the two parent races are extinct, we have no idea of knowing how tall they were.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:05 am

Why aren't they taller?

Well...
I'll tell you why!!!!

Unbeknownst to most forumers and TES Loreologists. Many Bretons take side jobs as whack-a-moles for the famous coin-op arcade game, Whack-a-mole.

All of that hammer bashing to the top of the head could really stump a person.



God!... What a lore freak! :facepalm:
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:50 am

Its beacuse the Bretens are descended from the Direnni and the indigenous Nedes, not the Altmer and the Nords. Since the two parent races are extinct, we have no idea of knowing how tall they were.



I thought it was because they drank all kinds of strange, bubbly potions containing dangerous substances........ (Like belladonna!)
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:29 am

Ainsborough-upon-Tyne?


...


A prime example of french longwinded corruption from the Normans.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:02 am

...
A prime example of french longwinded corruption from the Normans.



You're just sour that the Bretons arent ardent tea-o-philes.

"They cant be brittish, if they dont drink tea!"

:P
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Post » Thu May 26, 2011 9:31 pm

I wish I was little bit taller,
I wish I was a baller
I wish I had a girl who looked good
I would call her

I just knew Skee-Lo was a Breton.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:51 am

Except it doesn't suggest that at all. Altmer are the closest living relatives of the Aldmer. They breed specifically to resemble the Aldmer, if the Aldmer were shorter the Altmer would be breeding with the shorter members of their race. And none of this matters anyway because Apophis already answered the question with an answer that actually makes sense.

Have you considered that selective breeding may end in extremes and some traits might "overgrow", the Altmer might very well be a perversion of Aldmer.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:35 pm

Bretons are part-elvish and part-human beings (more human than elvish) that populate the province of High Rock, where the second game of the series, Daggerfall, takes place. They are capable mages with high magicka resistance. Other than that, they have few distinctive features. They are considered an intelligent human race in Tamriel, known for a proficiency in abstract thinking, a possible reason for their adeptness in the magical arts.]

Kinda hard to miss.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:04 am

We really don't know if Aldmer were tall. Evidence seems against it, as Dunmer and Orsimer aren't especially tall and the Bosmer are the shortest race on Tamriel. And the Altmer selectively breed, so it is likely that they breed themselves to be taller.


According to the Oblivion Construction set opening just the Oblivion ESM, Orcs have a height ratio of 1.06 for both male and female, matching that of the Nords. The Altmer top out all races at 1.1. Imperials are both 1.0 as are both sixes of Dunmer, and Bretons are also 1.0. Breton females are 0.9. Bosmer are 0.9 for males and 1 for females.

The reason behind the Bretons being more human than elven is because of the nature of racial hybridization in the TES universe: hybrids tend to resemble their mothers more in race. Seeing that the mothers in this case were usually nedic concubines to the Direnni Aldmer (the branch of aldmeri society that conquered/colonized what is now Highrock), this is why they're "more human than elven". This would suggest that the Nedes were average height.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:01 am

The Nords attribute their ancestry to giants. Their god Shor, http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/wulfharthsongs.shtml, was killed by "elven giants". Altmer claim to be descended from the gods and practice a form of selective breeding to retain those godly qualities. The Ehlnofey are called "titanic". Ergo, over the years, everybody shrunk. Some more than others, as some had more concern for their mythic proportions than others. And, yes, the Nedes may not have been terribly tall in the first place.

(I know this has already been mentioned scattered through the topic, but I wanted to collect it all into one cogent message.)
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:34 am

The reason behind the Bretons being more human than elven is because of the nature of racial hybridization in the TES universe: hybrids tend to resemble their mothers more in race. Seeing that the mothers in this case were usually nedic concubines to the Direnni Aldmer (the branch of aldmeri society that conquered/colonized what is now Highrock), this is why they're "more human than elven". This would suggest that the Nedes were average height.


Actually, the real reason is beacuse the Atmoran Nords interbred with the Manmer after the conquered High Rock. So, the Manmer and Bretons are actually different races.

Direnni + Nede = Manmer
Manmer + Atmoran = Breton

so, if you want to simplify things, the Bretons are 25% Nede, 25% Direnni and 50% Nord. Thus, they are 75% man and 25% mer. Basically speaking.

Then of course we have minimal Redguard and Orcish interbreeding making weird sub-groups like the reachmen.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:53 am

I find the whole idea that Bretons are somehow "half-elves" grossly overrated. The idea that they should somehow be tall because they are said to be the offspring of elves (regular Elves, not necessarily the Altmer) and men (Tamrielic men, not Nords) is, to me, quite ridiculous.

Even if we disregard historical inaccuracy and take it as fact that said ancestors would somehow result in a "taller race", there is still the factor of time to keep in mind. The Aldmeri rule over the territories that would later become High Rock is to be situated before, and during the first few centuries of the First Era. If we, for practicality's sake, take the beginning of the First Era as a starting point, 4249 years have passed to the current day. Extrapolated to our world, this would mean that say, the Dutch people are so tall because of a few sparse interbreedings during the Old Kingdom period of ancient Egypt.

All in all, I would say this question is gameplay. There are tall Bretons, like there are shorter Nords.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:16 am

So far, I've heard two reasons given that are both valid for why Bretons are not taller. However, both reasons are most likely true, and since most people don't read every post, I'll just sum it up for ya'.

Bretons are not taller since they are descendents of manmer crosses. I can't stress this enough, they are NOT HALF ELVES!!!!! They have very little elven blood in this day and age. Also, the elves from whom they descend may or may not have been very tall, however they probably were. The thing is, that people in TES take after their mothers rather than their fathers. The manmer were crosses between Nedic (not Nord) slave girls and their Aldmer masters. This would mean that the offspring looked mostly human, but with a few elven traits. All of these elven traits except a knack for magicka have since been bred out. That is your answer. Bretons are mainly Nedes with a little elf for good measure.

Since the Nedes are the ancestors of the Cyrodilians, then why should Bretons be taller?
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Post » Thu May 26, 2011 9:47 pm

So far, I've heard two reasons given that are both valid for why Bretons are not taller. However, both reasons are most likely true, and since most people don't read every post, I'll just sum it up for ya'.

Bretons are not taller since they are descendents of manmer crosses. I can't stress this enough, they are NOT HALF ELVES!!!!! They have very little elven blood in this day and age. Also, the elves from whom they descend may or may not have been very tall, however they probably were. The thing is, that people in TES take after their mothers rather than their fathers. The manmer were crosses between Nedic (not Nord) slave girls and their Aldmer masters. This would mean that the offspring looked mostly human, but with a few elven traits. All of these elven traits except a knack for magicka have since been bred out. That is your answer. Bretons are mainly Nedes with a little elf for good measure.

Since the Nedes are the ancestors of the Cyrodilians, then why should Bretons be taller?


Right, if there really has to be a reason: it was magic.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:34 am

'Sblood thou stinkard, I'll teach ye how to gust wolde ye swynke me thilke wys?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:24 am

Because they didn't eat vegitibles when they were growing up, lol.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:27 am

Here's the simple side of it (some people have already stated this). The "Half-Elves" that were bred from the Aldmer and man races were undoubtedly taller than Imperials. The descendants of these Half-Elves (the Bretons) have grown shorter over the many, many years they have had to dilute their bloodline by breeding with other shorter humans, and/or just evolving to be shorter based on diet or where they live or however you wanna explain it. Basically Bretons are too far removed from the elves to have to be tall.
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