Well pointed. In fact i think that kind of philosofical discussion very much partains to this forum. Even if only a vocal minority is willing to entertain one.

Thank you.

It seems to take out alot of problems Oblivion had - the crappy sense of culture (boringmess), level scaling, more weapons/armor, hand crafted vs generated land, attribute grinding minor skills.

I highly doubt people will look at Skyrim a few years later and say "ZOMG OBLIVION BETTER!11" like they do with Oblivion and Morrowind now.

You can argue and argue until someone says "Its a fact because I believe it is."
Because that is the end of all logic.

Willhave to disagree with you here (to a certain extent, don't want to go kabbalistic on you)

People used to believe Earth was flat.

It is not.

No, they used to think the earth was flat. Then when they looked at it they saw it wasn't.
Look at pretty much every religion and you'll see what I mean.
You can say "That doesn't make sense" to someone who believes something, but they'll still believe it.

I'm curious. The graphics have gotten knocked a couple times on here, and I'm of the belief that the game looks gorgeous in most cases. To what are the graphics being compared to that they deserve a 6.5 out of 10 (hlvr's rating). Is it a comparison between games or a comparison between game graphics versus reality?

I agree with you for the record. He's comparing it to Battlefield 3, and Crysis among others.

There is a fundamental distinction between fact an opinion. I'm not entirely sure such difference qualifies as axiomatic.
But If you're saying all opinions are facts untill proven wrong, that's a different matter altogether.

TES2: 8.5 (I simply can't stand those flat creature models- if they would be made into 3D, than it would have 9, remove most of glitches- 9.5, increase view distance and we have perfect game- 9.9)
TES3: 8
TES4: 7.5
(Anyone noticed trend here?)
I really hope that Skyrim will be better than Oblivion
Currently I evaluate TES5 as 8

I'll leave it up to Hlvr to rebute since you're addressing him.
But if we isolate the graphics quality alone - not taking in consideration other gameplay aspects and disregarding Art direction -
it's fair to say Skyrim appears to place mid league.

I'll reserve a more assertive opinion for when i've played it or have seen significant footage.

I'll leave it up to Hlvr to rebute since you're addressing him.
But if we isolate the graphics quality alone - not taking in consideration other gameplay aspects and disregarding Art direction -
it's fair to say Skyrim appears to place mid league.

I'll reserve a more assertive opinion for when i've played it or have seen significant footage.

Ah, thanks. I hadn't seen images from these before (though I'm still of the opinion that 6.5 is a bit harsh).

I'm saying that once people basically say "Its a fact because its my opinion". Then its pointless to keep talking.

Ahhhhh
Ok.
I misunderstood you. Sorry. And I agree.

To me:

10/10 = Battlefield 3, Crysis 1/2
9/10 = Rage
8.5/10 = Witcher 2
8/10 = RDR
6.5/10 = Skyrim

I think Skyrim "fails" a few points because of lack of texture depth (depth, not detail), bad/mediocre lighting in a lot of scenes, low-poly models, etc. That's my opinion of course, and my honest one. Each person have different standards. Some people still think Oblivion is the best graphical game that exists. If I had never known about Skyrim before or what TES is, I'd give it a 6.5/10, and that's why I give it now.
Also, note I'm talking about graphics in terms of technical stuff, not art or anything like that.

No problem. Personally I think 6.5 is ludicrous, but that's just my opinion.

hm.....i thought Skyrim looks better than RDR tbh. but the rest do seem better.

You know the game isn't out yet right? And Crysis 2 is the worst game I have played in a long time.

You know I said so far before, right?
You know I can still judge by looking at dozens of screenshots and a 3 min trailer, right?
You know I was comparing graphics and not the whole games, right?
You know it's my opinion, right?

Please, think... then comment. Otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself.

Nope, don't feel embarrassed at all.
You know so far has nothing to do with what I said right?
No, you can't judge a game off of http://www.gamemunition.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Skyrim.jpg right?
No, I didn't know you were just comparing graphics because you never said you were just comparing graphics, right?
You know thats my opinion, right?
You know you kinda just sounded like an ass, right?

Skyrim speaks for itself.

I have to agree but I would need to play it to see if it's better then Oblivion or Morrowind.

Cant.... Help.... Replying...........

If you say, "Its a fact because I BELIEVE it is." Then the argument is literally over. Whether you understand or not is irrelevant. Whether you accept reality is irrelevant. The moment you use belief as your only rational, we are talking about opinion. Words have meaning. They must mean something or we are just making noise at each other. If the purpose of communicating, is to pass ideas back and forth among several sovereign entities, we must have specific meanings. If any word can mean anything at any time, without any structure, then we might as well fart at each other for all the good language would do us. Belief is not fact. If you said "Its a fact, because I looked it up". Thats a different story, you would be right or wrong. Thats a fact, something that is either demonstratively correct or incorrect. As opposed to an opinion, which is based on nothing but your fantasies and delusions.(im being playful at the end here, lol)

Just click http://tinyurl.com/3kgycgz

As much as I love this kind of stuff, we are messing with someone else's thread. Lets keep this about how Skyrim will or wont be the best TES ever, please. I will not reply to this subject again on this thread(lol if I can manage...). If this is really that big a deal for you, do a little research, then hit me up. I would love to chat about this behind the scenes. Cool? :foodndrink:

Sounds about right. Thank goodness I care more about art, style &(most importantly) game play. So far we look ok though.

I know, I agree with all of this. And I have researched things like this before. I just don't care to explain.
Edit: By the way, its because after explaining things so many times, I get severally [censored] bored.