Ahhh if this is what you meant from the beginning, then, I agree. Its still hard to stop talking though. We are prideful creatures, and we hate having our DELUSIONAL opinions looked down upon. Whether they actually are being looked down upon or not. lol

Anywho, all things considered(not saying much with the little info we have so far), Skyrim is looking/sounds pretty good right now. The fact that BGS does listen to us, and does constantly tweek their baby, makes me comfortable about where the series is heading in general. Although I do understand the plight of those among us that hate the constant disappearance of so called old-school rpg mechanics.(table top and early d&d video game mechanics... the "numbers" as it where)

edit: really poor grammar

No need to say anything else my friend. Lets forget our silly side bar conversation and get back on the Skyrim Bandwagon O' Awesomeness. ALL ABOARD!

Awesome, so does anyone know if some previously removed features will be returned?

That's fine and all, but those games are small in comparison to games like TES. Those games are celled instances while TES games are huge massive worlds. You cannot have both, sorry. Not with this gen of tech.

Skyrim looks great for how big the gameworld. Please show me another game, that looks better, that is the same size or bigger than Skyrim. And length of game does not count as "big". That has nothing to do with it. The cell of the actual game world, which is many miles.

I was comparing the graphics, not the world as a whole. Also, RDR is twice as big as Skyrim and none of them except for Rage got cell seperation.

When you review something you need to look in the specifics, then sum everything up as a whole. When you review something you can't say "Ah yes, while the graphics may not look so good in the game, they could look better if there weren't these and these and these technical limitations." You review the game as it is, not what it could be if something else was present. That's at least what I did. The end.

@Galen:
Massive facepalm.

If we're talking graphics, really, that's not all that bad of a list. Personally, I'd put Crysis 2 and Battlefield 2 with Rage, since Crysis2 and BF3 have very linear worlds, that don't render the same way as Crysis 1, thus are actually much less graphically impressive. Rage looks great, but not as good in detail as BF3 or Crysis2, but the world is build differently, more than compensating for that.

The Witcher 2 is fine where it is. I got my hands on that, and screenshots and videos don't do it justice. I hate it's art still, but it's graphically, very impressive even at lower settings.

I'd either put RDR down one, or Skyrim up one, they're about equal. RDR plays from the third-person almost exculsively, if you get close, you find a lot of the detail is actually much lower than even Oblivion, and the world itself isn't particularly malleable. RDR has some of the best Weather Effects I've seen though.


Now, if we're talking Aesthetics instead of graphics, here's my list, using the same games.

10/10 = Rage
9/10 = Skyrim, Red Dead Redemption, Crysis
8/10 = Crysis2
7/10 = Battlefield 3
4/10 = The Witcher 2.

RDR does not look "better" than Skyrim.
Also, going to have to disagree with you hlvr. When judging games it's pretty silly (imo) to not look at the technical aspects in context of the game. That just doesn't make sense to me. Why wouldn't you?

RDR is twice as big and most of that world is empty.

Has there been any footage/screenshots from PC yet? As far as I know they've only released stuff on the 360.

When I look at SR, I think , "Wow".

Perhaps I'm just easy to please.

I think the graphics look great.

360 only.

The world of RDR looks really good and I had a blast playing it. But... There is less content furlong for furlong than in a ES/Fallout game. I wont be a third through Skyrim content wise, compared to the time it took me to finish Red Dead.(did everything) And that is absolutely not a knock on RDR, instead a testament of what we get out of any old ES/Fallout game. Skyrim is also much more replayable. And if you throw in our experienced and hard working MOD community...

DAM IT!! Why isnt it 11/11 yet!!! :banghead: :swear: lol

Nostalgia is truly powerful, just as it is with those Morrowind lovers

I'm going to err on the side of caution and withhold my judgement of the game as a whole until I play the game. Optimism often leads to disappointment, even if the game is good.


Hardly. I've been playing Morrowind like mad for the past few weeks, and I have ZERO gameplay mods, only visual mods. The game is just as good as I remember.

I do think that a true more "hardcoe" RPG experience, such as that found in Morrowind, and actiony gameplay can cohexist in one game. I just don't think they've done it quite right. Instead of seeing things that define good rpgs I see things that define "good" action rpgs.

Yeah, if I want to compare them with Windows, I would say that Morrowind is XP, Oblivion is Vista and hopefully Skyrim would be Seven.

For Vista they abandoned a lot of reliable mechanisms of the old trusty XP, and tested a lot of new ideas for Vista, but botched it all with ill judged decisions and bad luck.

For Seven, they took the core idea of vista and overhauled it completely into Seven which is the best Windows yet.

I'm hopeful that it would happen for Skyrim, as one usually gains experience from the past mistakes.

Which at times can be a good thing.
I like my gameworld not to feel like a Tokyo rush hour subway carriage.

I agree, but RDR is too barren to be making fair comparisons to other gameworlds. Any dev can throw in huge chunks of empty land. Nothing spectacular about that.

No RPG can be better than morrowind in my opinion. I still refer back to morrowind when new RPGs come out.

I do the same thing, but with Daggerfall.

And I do the same thing, which is why I'm biased. Morrowind is still amazing to me. I play it on the 360, GOTY edition. No mods and it's still my favorite game of all time.

Bah, it will be probably the worst , bethesda 's software is in decline. Middle fantasy, level locking and cliche dragons already sound boring . One of the screenshots released shows a corner in the waterfall lol

What?