A lot of people that visit these forums have biased opinions on what Skyrim SHOULD be, based on what they experienced playing either MW or OB. And I'm guilty of the same thing. A few months ago, if you were to ask me what I want Skyrim to be like, I'd have one single thing to say. "Morrowind".
But, after thinking about this long and hard, and thinking over the past months since Skyrim was announced, I've changed my views.

A lot of people on these boards are aware that I'm not a huge fan of Oblivion. I've talked down the game, and stated my opinions on why I disliked it. But after recently playing through the game again, I've found a *slightly* different opinion. I still dislike it, though.

See, I think Oblivion was a test game of sorts as far as what they can do. I think they put their hearts into it, I'm not saying they were just fooling around, but the game was horribly optimized as far as the game engines were concerned. Yet, Oblivion did things right. They improved on a lot of redundant game mechanics that truly had no purpose in MW. They removed a lot of the frustrating things about MW , but again, concerning a few things, they over-simplified. A lot. And therein lies my problem with OB.

This is how I'd classify each game:

Morrowind - True hardcoe RPG style, huge, open, overly complex at times. A true "foreign/alien" feel to the game. I loved it. A frustrating, great game for the intelligent gamer who is willing to sit down and pour 300+ hours into it. It took me about 4 weeks to beat the main quest at level 40 something the first playthrough.

Oblivion - True hack-n-slash action/adventure game with RPG elements. Homogenized gameplay, overly simplistic, yet updated gameplay that made it less frustrating. Huge improvements regarding Stealth, Magicka use, and Archery A decently fun game that I truly did not enjoy near as much as MW due to the streamlining. It took me about 6 hours to beat the main quest at level 8 the first playthrough.

What I gain from this:
I truly hope that Skyrim will be the best of both worlds. I hope they take what made MW fun, foreign, exciting, and mystical, combined that with what made OB a better game, but not take away so much to the point of toddler proofing, and create the single most amazing RPG in the TES series to date.
I really believe that this will be the case.

Your thoughts? Please, discuss.

As long as it doesn't look like it's from 2008 and/or feel like it's made for a 6-year-old, I'm fine.

We already know Skyrim looks beautiful. But a game is not all about graphics.
Proof:
I like Morrowinds graphics 100 times over Oblivions. Why? Art Style. More polygons does not equal better..

Don't worry. You should see all his posts in all the PC threads he starts. I believe Skyrim will be legendary and from what I've seen, it looks spectacular.

I'll amend these descriptions for you considering you're clearly blinded by bias. (I mean really, Oblivion a hack n slash action-adventure? Laughable really.)


Morrowind - Slightly dumbed down after Daggerfall, but still a great RPG, small world, but complex. Middle-Eastern / almost Egyptian flavour to the game, alien to the less culturally aware. A frustrating, great game for the intelligent gamer who is willing to sit down and pour 300+ hours into it.

Oblivion - Slightly dumbed down after Morrowind, but still a great RPG. fairly small world, but less barren than Morrowind. Huge improvements regarding Stealth, Magicka use, and Archery, but perhaps a little too much streamlining.

Read the first line in the OP. I am biased, and I openly admit it.
2 things for you to realize:
1) I stated "This is how I'd classify each game:". That sort of denotes a personal opinion, yeah?
2) My descriptions were a personal opinion, previously stated three times.
You are the one turning this into a flame war 3 post in. So I'm going to ask you to either stop, or leave if you cannot agree to disagree.

is oblivion a game I still play today? yes.

is fallout 3? not really.

dont wanna piss on the parade, just something to consider.

My take on it so far:

Visuals: OK/decent. 6.5/10
Audio: Excellent/superb. 9.5/10
Gameplay: Generally very good 9/10
Story: Epic 10/10
Lastingness: Not sure yet, but it sounds so far like a 10/10.

Medium value based from above: 9/10.

Extremely flawed review since we know so little yet, but consider a review of a preview
I think the experience as a whole will be mega-epic in Skyrim. Better than Oblivion and most likely better than Morrowind as well.

People are allowed to have their own opinions, but that doesn't stop me correcting them when they're wrong. :dance:

But in the interests of avoiding an argument, i'll just agree with the verdict that Skyrim should take the best aspects of both Morrowind and Oblivion (although I do wish they'd take some of the best aspects of Daggerfall as well).

I certainly believe SR has the potential to be something legendary, Beth's crowning achievement.

Will it be absolutely perfect, in the truest sense of the word? No, of course not, and it would be unrealistic to expect that. How can something created by imperfect humans be perfect itself?

I agree. That's what I'm saying. Both MW and OB had flaws. Hopefully Skyrim will get it down pat this time.

Good - let's please avoid goading each other into bickering - we want to enjoy the anticipation together, not have nastiness, thread-locks and ... did I mention my banhammer has spikes on it?

Good bunny You're the first mod I've seen to say something other than something along the lines of:
"Well looks like this is-" :disguise: "A wrap."

C'mon now, for all the griping (and I do plenty of it, so I know what I'm talking about :rofl: ) let's admit it: Skyrim will be the best one, because it's the next one!

Fixed lol




Ah, well then, I shall take this opportunity to correct you.

Its IMPOSSIBLE to have a wrong opinion. And thats not an opinion of mine, its a fact. :hubbahubba:

But what if thats just your opinion? And an opinion is a belief, and you can't argue belief.

Yes, a bigger team, long time in development, experience with current hardware and what to me ammounts to a sound and mature reflexion over past TES experiences by Todd himself, all that should guarantee a great game, most probably the best TES game.
To me these discussions should shift away from abstract self-answered questions about whether this will or won't be a perfect game′to critically evaluating the choices Bethesda has made along the way.

Pardon me if i do insist. But if they don't include some sort of climbing mechanics - which indeed appears to be the case - then it's a sour disappointment:
1. It's feasible, not that hard technically.
2. It sure does befit mountanous Skyrim.
3. It'd grteatly improve gameplay.

I should add though that for now i can't name a redundant or minute feature where time would have been mispent.
Horses, if, like Todd said,the world feels weird without them,
how much weirder does it feelbeing unclimbable?

So far I'd rate Skyrim a temporary 8.25

Todd (not sure if it was Todd) said they are trying to put the best aspects from Morrowind and Oblivion in to Skyrim. If they manage to do that, Skyrim will be epic and the best TES game.

Definitely.

You say you think Skyrim will probably be the best ES and you're rating it an 8.25 lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer

Were pretty gangster like that. Also I dont mean to imply the individual parts or programming which may be flawed. But the fact that we created a machine that can literally compute/simulate ANYTHING as long as we can figure out the program and are patient enough to wait for the computation.

But I agree that we wont have "perfect" complex codes anytime soon. Hence no perfect games anytime soon... But, you never know.

DID YOU SAY COCA COLA WAS BETTER THAN PEPSI!? DID YOU!!!?

Anyway I loved Morrowind and I loved it a bit more than Oblivion. Don′t get me wrong I still love Oblivion too, just not as much. And I believe Skyrim can top both Morrowind and Oblivion. Even if it doesn′t top Morrowind in the aspects that made Morrowind so great I believe the rest of the features that will make Skyrim great will tip it just over the Morrowberg.

Which only means our scales and gauges are different.
I would certainly blush in shame should the now legendary sentence
Skyrim has the best graphics in the entire videogaming history
come out of my mouth or typeing fingers.

To each his own


*edit* I of course misquoted. I meant history not industry.

What do you consider above an 8.25 if that's the best ES does for you? Just out of curiosity. You can PM me if you like.

You can argue opinions/beliefs, till your blue in the face. The thing is that youre not talking about something empirical in reality. While a fact is the exact opposite. A fact is either true or false. The veracity of the fact has nothing to do with your beliefs or opinions.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion

But I was just trying to be funny and not really make a point. This really isnt a subject for our forum, so I will leave it here. But I would be more than happy to discuss this behind the scenes if you are interested. Just send me a pm.

Now back on topic.

I HOPE that Skyrim, WILL take the best of previous ES games and mix it with all the lessons learned so far between ES 1-4 & Fallout 3. A best of all worlds if I may say. Im hoping to see a large contrast from what BGS was able to due with the restraints of a launch title on a NEW console generation vs 6 years of experience on a well known system. Time will tell.


edit: Uggg my grammar is terrible...