Why blame consoles? : V - Skyrim

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:37 pm

I hope they actually make it to where mods are on consoles. So NO PERSON can say they are better than the other.

The problem isn't mods. Consoles are ALWAYS going to run on outdated hardware, thus limiting what one can do with a game on it. A computer can be constantly upgraded to fit the needs of the user. That was enough to sell it for me. :shrug:

» Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:16 am

I hate this stereotype, why is it that just because people want a pick-up-and-play game that they're instantly super dumb and don't deserve to play video games. Video games are bigger than they use to be, it's not just the super addicted people who want the super complicated games anymore.

This.

» Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:08 am

I hate this stereotype, why is it that just because people want a pick-up-and-play game that they're instantly super dumb and don't deserve to play video games. Video games are bigger than they use to be, it's not just the super addicted people who want the super complicated games anymore.

I didn't say all console gamers are like this, since I own and use a 360 myself, but when was the last time you met a PC gamer who loves nothing but CoD? I know plenty of people like this on consoles... some of them are my friends... :confused:

» Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:19 am

consoles have their charms for sure, i own a ps3 dedicated to pro evolution soccer

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Consoles are keeping game development and evolution back technology wise .
Consoles are 1 disc only so developers are limited in what they can do
Console gamers want to just start up a game for the first time and instantly enjoy it, not having to go through a bunch of setting to get the game the way I like it, PC gamers -most of the crowd i know - hates this simplistic approach , we want to have absolute control over everything and to an extent we are not casual gamers but rather dedicated ones.
Because of their horrible controls consoles require horrible UIs and game mechanics - like combat & movement -
Console gamers accept the game for what it is , like or dislike , PC gamers think what can be done with the game in order to improve , criticise developers for their shortfalls , whine in the forums , be creative - i guess this is because of our dedication-

Different people like different things and have their own reasons for buying and playing games , to make it easier for you to understand i care more about dialogue options than dragon fights i bet it is different for you. None is judging anyone but in my opinion there is a fundamental difference in what gamers from each side seek in a game and i don't think that this gap will be crossed anytime soon .

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:28 pm

the only legitimate arguments against consoles are the hardware restrictions imposed upon developers (512MB of RAM is a massive [censored] to do a lot with) and the control scheme restrictions imposed upon developers (though this is mostly a non-issue apart from stuff like leaning (which should've been replaced with a first-person cover system in every game by 2008 anyway) and hotkeys). everything else is just entitled manchildren whining about a nonexistent demographic that exists solely to spoil all their precious hardcoe fun.

i say this as someone who games almost exclusively on PC, and whose favorite games are PC games.

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:30 pm

Many of us devote time and money learning and building our computers much the same way people learn about and build cars. It's only fair that we'd want to use them, no? And to feel like all that work and know-how is being wasted for games that run half as well on outdated systems when our PCs scream these games with HD textures and 8x antialiasing, I can't speak for everyone, but it gets a little frustrating.

You win the prize for the best metaphore ever.

100% agree.

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:00 pm

EH? So, gaming consoles have existed for seventy years? lolwut?

And in response to everyone's extreme negativity about PC gamers here, I certainly don't BLAME consoles for decline in game quality. I tend to blame mass-market console GAMERS for it. Think: Shovelware on the Wii and this month's CoD reboot.

Oh my god..... There it is again, I have not insulted PC gamers in anyway, now people are turning around and blaming me and other console gamers just because they don't want to go through all the complicated stuff that hardcoe PC gamers do, why does that make us stupid and the reason why games are apparently getting dumbed-down when they aren't

And [censored] CoD, All they do is make the same multiplayer every year, with new guns, maps and whatever, also, CoD wasn't part of this thread.

» Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:17 am

Funny thing is consoles have been around for MUCH longer than computers. So i'm sure consoles are the way too go.

Sorry but I just had to quote this....for ABSOLUTE LOL.

Unless there were consoles in 1977, you're pretty much wrong

» Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:34 am

Nobody sane is really blaming the consoles. They are just pieces of hardware, after all.

Now, console manufacturers (who often use their market power to force developers to "dumb down" their games so they can run on the consoles - no dumbing down, no authorisation to sell the game for the console, less profit for developers) and developers (who are stupid enough to fall for these tricks or, worse, marketing and PR lies from the console manufacturers), those are to blame for everything they do wrong which is a direct result of their decisions. They are people and they are capable of making choices, after all.

» Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:46 am

Oh my god..... There it is again, I have not insulted PC gamers in anyway, now people are turning around and blaming me and other console gamers just because they don't want to go through all the complicated stuff that hardcoe PC gamers do, why does that make us stupid and the reason why games are apparently getting dumbed-down when they aren't

And [censored] CoD, All they do is make the same multiplayer every year, with new guns, maps and whatever, also, CoD wasn't part of this thread.

They're saying games are being "dumbed down" because usually nowadays games are made for console hardware, and than ported to PC with the same stuff. If you would listen to the hour long podcast interview with todd howard, he explains that the PC version will have higher resolution textures and such that are made just for it. This whole topic is pointless. If you want to hear the specific part of the interview, here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/user/iOblivionIV#p/c/35493682FA561782/6/pWxBimsG2Zg

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:58 pm

Oh my god..... There it is again, I have not insulted PC gamers in anyway, now people are turning around and blaming me and other console gamers just because they don't want to go through all the complicated stuff that hardcoe PC gamers do, why does that make us stupid and the reason why games are apparently getting dumbed-down when they aren't

And [censored] CoD, All they do is make the same multiplayer every year, with new guns, maps and whatever, also, CoD wasn't part of this thread.

Simmer down, we don't want to lose any toes here. The part about insults wasn't directed at you, sir. I don't knock consoles, I own an Xbox and a PS3. Just gets tiresome to hear how us PC gamers are so "elitist" for wanting equal support.

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:38 pm

Oh my god..... There it is again, I have not insulted PC gamers in anyway, now people are turning around and blaming me and other console gamers just because they don't want to go through all the complicated stuff that hardcoe PC gamers do, why does that make us stupid and the reason why games are apparently getting dumbed-down when they aren't

And [censored] CoD, All they do is make the same multiplayer every year, with new guns, maps and whatever, also, CoD wasn't part of this thread.

thank you so freakin much and im mean that sincerely

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:22 pm

Oh my god..... There it is again, I have not insulted PC gamers in anyway, now people are turning around and blaming me and other console gamers just because they don't want to go through all the complicated stuff that hardcoe PC gamers do, why does that make us stupid and the reason why games are apparently getting dumbed-down when they aren't

you can't make this thread, dude. certainly not here, anyway. there's no way for all parties to discuss it intelligently. it's religion and politics combined.

» Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:34 am

It is what it is. A console is developed to stay around for several years, while the PC hardware is much more dynamic and improves constantly. This has always been the case and will continue to be so for the next decenia. You can't blame the game developers, the console manufacturers or the console users, it's just the way the market works... It is what it is.

» Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:29 am

I didn't say all console gamers are like this, since I own and use a 360 myself, but when was the last time you met a PC gamer who loves nothing but CoD? I know plenty of people like this on consoles... some of them are my friends... :confused:

:verymad: Grrrr.... Call of Duty. I know what you mean, but i guess CoD is a good game if you don't have a long time to play, but maybe an hour or two.

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:26 pm

Sorry but I just had to quote this....for ABSOLUTE LOL.

Unless there were consoles in 1977, you're pretty much wrong

You're 20 years off. The first PC (IBM 610) came out 1957.

» Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:52 am

Yes, I know Bethesda is developing the game mainly for consoles, and I know that means they won't match high-end PC expectations. THIS IS NOT AN ANTI-PC THREAD

All I wanted to ask is why people say consoles ruin all video games. Almost every thing I see a PC gamer say, from youtube comments to this forum, is that the game is over simplified so they can be played on consoles, then they go and say how much better PC's are, which i agree that in some ways they are. But most gamers don't want to have to download a bunch of mods or other things, but they really do want a simple gaming system, and don't want to spend all the money to get or build a good PC. Yes the vanilla game is better on consoles, but PC gamers can run the game with bettter graphics and everything, and they also have the ability to fix whatever they want by making or downloading mods for free.

PC gamers have all these things that make better than consoles, but I actually prefer my XBOX 360. Why? Because I really do want to just start up a game for the first time and instantly enjoy it, not having to go through a bunch of setting to get the game the way I like it, after I install the whole darn thing to my computer. Plus XBOX LIVE is awesome, I can play whatever i want and still talk to my friends no matter what I or they are playing.

Skyrim's vanilla version may be better on consoles, I know, but most gamers play on consoles. So yes, the orignal game give more attention on consoles, but don't any of you dare think that they give console gamers themselves more attention, I mean they give PC gamers the entire engine that they made fro Skyrim.

PC's and consoles both have they're ups and downs, so why do so many PC gamers try to over glorify they're computers? If anyone has an answer I want to hear it.

And if there is another thread like this, I would like a link if you may.

Thank you i completely agree

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:29 pm

EH? So, gaming consoles have existed for seventy years? lolwut?

And in response to everyone's extreme negativity about PC gamers here, I certainly don't BLAME consoles for decline in game quality. I tend to blame mass-market console GAMERS for it. Think: Shovelware on the Wii and this month's CoD reboot.

Not hating, but CoD isn't the only game on consoles, in fact, I prefer Gran Turismo games on Consoles :shrug:

Some games are better for PC (Civilization, AoE)
And others (Grand Turismo, Guitar Hero) are better for console

Cross overs like Elder Scrolls and Dragon Age always seem to cop crap from some PC users (not me though)

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:23 pm

It is what it is. A console is developed to stay around for several years, while the PC hardware is much more dynamic and improves constantly. This has always been the case and will continue to be so for the next decenia. You can't blame the game developers, the console manufacturers or the console users, it's just the way the market works... It is what it is.

Tend to agree, though I'm more averse to console-specific elitism, elitism being what it is.

Things are things, consoles will always be outdated, PCs will always be dynamic. That's life.

edited for strange use of censoring. =/

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:54 pm

Good console things:
- Without the console market BGS wouldn't have enough money to make a huge high quality game like Skyrim in the first place.
- The long amount of time between console generations makes it so that PC players playing multiplatform games don't have to update their computers too often.

Bad console things:
- Because the PC version isn't a completely different version from the console version some things are limited. The biggest limiting factor is the low amount of memory the consoles have. Because of this the PC version also gets closed cities, less NPCs in screen at the same time, and so on. Also the game might get full DX11 support if the game was PC only.

» Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:52 am

I'm not a hater of either platform. I have a decent PC that can run most things maxed out.

But at the same time I have a 360, PS3 and a Wii.

I just play whatever takes my fancy. From Zelda on Wii to Skyrim on PC. Neither is superior in my eyes its the games that are the real things to look at. Not the platforms.

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:59 pm

You're 20 years off. The first PC (IBM 610) came out 1957.

Well, I was talking about the first Commodore, which appears to be the first one with commercial success, but well...

» Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:20 am

If i may - People are blaming consoles because it used to be a game was made for the PC and they could always expect higher resolution textures and improved gameplay and graphics over the console. Now games are being made primarily for the consoles, and are simply ported to the PC, where the game will have the same lower resolution textures, defeating the purpose of going to the trouble of getting a good enough PC to run the game in the 1st place. The fact that i can run a top-notch game like black ops at maximum resolution with v-sync and maxed out texture and shadow detail on a LAPTOP with no problems, shows how neglected the PC is in today's gaming market. Skyrim will be the 1st game to be made primarily for the console at bethesda. Though honestly i blame this for the most part on todd howard, since hes constantly stated he prefers the xbox over any other platform.

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:51 pm

If i may - People are blaming consoles because it used to be a game was made for the PC and they could always expect higher resolution textures and improved gameplay and graphics over the console. Now games are being made primarily for the consoles, and are simply ported to the PC, where the game will have the same lower resolution textures, defeating the purpose of going to the trouble of getting a good enough PC to run the game in the 1st place. The fact that i can run a top-notch game like black ops at maximum resolution with v-sync and maxed out texture and shadow detail on a LAPTOP with no problems, shows how neglected the PC is in today's gaming market. Skyrim will be the 1st game to be made primarily for the console at bethesda. Though honestly i blame this for the most part on todd howard, since hes constantly stated he prefers the xbox over any other platform.

Go to the 'Unofficial "Can My PC Run Skyrim?" Thread'

You didn't list your RAM.

» Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:11 pm

I find everything beyond racing and fighting games to be impossible to enjoy with a controller, so, I play on PC. I don't much care about grahpics, nor am I a big mod fanatic (even if they are fun when you get bored). But the fac tthat you can easily tab out and fx put on some music is also a great addition.

PC gamers, such as myself are tired of the market catering to consoles more and more. A lot of devs regard PCs as not even a real platform anymore, or atleast as a second rate one. This is why I personally can get quite defensive when it comes to this issue.

That said, I don't mind mutliplatform games, but I mind the PC UI being messed up because a dev is too lazy to do it right for the PC. I also hate when a game doesn't come for the PC with no good reason. I'd love to play LA Noire and red dead, sadly this will never happen due to rockstars terrible treatment of PC gamers.