Yes, I know Bethesda is developing the game mainly for consoles, and I know that means they won't match high-end PC expectations. THIS IS NOT AN ANTI-PC THREAD

All I wanted to ask is why people say consoles ruin all video games. Almost every thing I see a PC gamer say, from youtube comments to this forum, is that the game is over simplified so they can be played on consoles, then they go and say how much better PC's are, which i agree that in some ways they are. But most gamers don't want to have to download a bunch of mods or other things, but they really do want a simple gaming system, and don't want to spend all the money to get or build a good PC. Yes the vanilla game is better on consoles, but PC gamers can run the game with bettter graphics and everything, and they also have the ability to fix whatever they want by making or downloading mods for free.

PC gamers have all these things that make better than consoles, but I actually prefer my XBOX 360. Why? Because I really do want to just start up a game for the first time and instantly enjoy it, not having to go through a bunch of setting to get the game the way I like it, after I install the whole darn thing to my computer. Plus XBOX LIVE is awesome, I can play whatever i want and still talk to my friends no matter what I or they are playing.

Skyrim's vanilla version may be better on consoles, I know, but most gamers play on consoles. So yes, the orignal game give more attention on consoles, but don't any of you dare think that they give console gamers themselves more attention, I mean they give PC gamers the entire engine that they made fro Skyrim.

PC's and consoles both have they're ups and downs, so why do so many PC gamers try to over glorify they're computers? If anyone has an answer I want to hear it.

And if there is another thread like this, I would like a link if you may.

Skyrim will be the 1st game to be made primarily for the console at bethesda.

Though honestly i blame this for the most part on todd howard, since hes constantly stated he prefers the xbox over any other platform.

I find everything beyond racing and fighting games to be impossible to enjoy with a controller, so, I play on PC.

Consoles are keeping game development and evolution back technology wise .

Consoles are 1 disc only so developers are limited in what they can do

Console gamers want to just start up a game for the first time and instantly enjoy it, not having to go through a bunch of setting to get the game the way I like it, PC gamers -most of the crowd i know - hates this simplistic approach , we want to have absolute control over everything and to an extent we are not casual gamers but rather dedicated ones.
Because of their horrible controls consoles require horrible UIs and game mechanics - like combat & movement -
Console gamers accept the game for what it is , like or dislike , PC gamers think what can be done with the game in order to improve , criticise developers for their shortfalls , whine in the forums , be creative - i guess this is because of our dedication-

And I find keyboards extremelyawkward to play anything with. Everyone has their own preference.

1. I don't recall having many problems getting my settings correct on any PC game i've ever played, save Black Ops because it was a horrible port and game in general.
2. Since you appear to be a casual it makes sense you've never heard of a little thing called steam that blows xbox live away
3. xbox is just part of microsofts plan to nickel and dime its customers to death - PS3 is the far superior console
4. The advantage of consoles is that you don't have to worry about whether or not it can run it - i get pissed off when they do the same thing by porting the lesser version of the game to the PC like we're some sort of second hand breed of gamers

Tbh though with the level of arrogance I see comming out of most PC gamers regarding this topic. I can safely say they totally deserve it.

It doesnt matter that you can set the game setting to 2560x1920 on a PC, because the game will be rendering its textures at a console level, which will likely be at 1280x720, and then simply upscaling the textures to fit the resolution. This creates a wierd kind of effect that is the main reason i didnt buy the new motorstorm game for console. My tv could go 1080, and the game allegedly could, but it actually was rendering at 720. What i want is for them to make the game for the PC, to have the textures render in 2560x1920, and then if the game is ported to consoles, downscale it for them. This is hardly a problem for console gamers as you are sitting 3-6 feet away and most console gamers can't really tell the difference anyways. My main problem is the fact that i feel after spending years loyal to bethesda, they are just flipping pc gamers off and video taping todd howard humping his 360

My main problem is the fact that i feel after spending years loyal to bethesda, they are just flipping pc gamers off and video taping todd howard humping his 360

You wanna include your RAM in that?

My main problem is the fact that i feel after spending years loyal to bethesda, they are just flipping pc gamers off and video taping todd howard humping his 360

@vincent Arroangt PC gamers? really? where? I mostly see a lot of console gamers hating on PC gamers for stating facts. Sure everybody gets arrogant sometimes, but I am frankly sicka nd tired of being called an elitist just because I agree that consoles are holding games back, because thats simply fact.

I don't see it, but even as a PC gamer, I can safely say arrogance is stupid.

PCs are a good investment, but the way I see it, consoles just make it run even BETTER on my machine (which is not that good ) :intergalactic:

@Britishwolf, Um, Pong wasn't a console game

1. I don't recall having many problems getting my settings correct on any PC game i've ever played, save Black Ops because it was a horrible port and game in general.
2. Since you appear to be a casual it makes sense you've never heard of a little thing called steam that blows xbox live away
3. xbox is just part of microsofts plan to nickel and dime its customers to death - PS3 is the far superior console
4. The advantage of consoles is that you don't have to worry about whether or not it can run it - i get pissed off when they do the same thing by porting the lesser version of the game to the PC like we're some sort of second hand breed of gamers

Read my mind here. Point 4 is especially part of my problem with feeling alienated as a PC gamer. I mean, I do a lot of hunting for information and spec-checking and rebuilding to get my games running pristine. I'd appreciate it if the game were actually functional on my system (looking at you, New Vegas, cough cough...).

I mean, hell. A lot of us feel cheated when it comes to game optimization. Someone above me mentioned the difference between Dragon Age and DA2. Dragon Age was positively a sweet PC experience. DA2 didn't feel "optimized," it felt like they took the first game and said "put it on a console, and add a "2" to it. Oh, an throw it on the PC too, I guess." :sadvaultboy:

I have 2 gigs of ram thanks

http://shop.amd.com/US/_layouts/shop/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=100312SR®ion=us-en

I cannot count how many times I've played DA:O. But I indeed can count how many I've played DA2: 1. And no plans to play again so far.

That made me decide that, apart from ME3, I'll probably never buy another Bioware game again.

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1. I just don't want to have to go through all the settings
2. I play video games a lot but i don't want a whole bunch of complexity, if that makes me casual than awesome. And Steam being better than LIVE is your opinion.
3. To me you just seem to be a Microsoft hater. If the PS3 is better, that meaning Sony is better in your opinion, what do you call that massive dilema because PSN got hacked.
4. If you pumped the money into your computer to get it that good then expected games to match your expectations, that's your fault

I honestly don't think I have much more to say to you, you just seem like another person whp is obsessed with their computer and think you should have your every whim catered to.