Why can't I kill Ulfric and replace him with Brunwulf? : V

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:42 pm

I'd give $20 just to replace him. I really don't want to start a new character because of how much time I spent playing on my only Dovahkiin, but Ulfric is a racist [censored].

» Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:57 am

Sadly the only way is to pick sides with the legion.
A shame. He should not be essential

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:08 pm

#inb4denialofassumptionwithuseofassumtionofotherpoint

» Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:16 am

Sadly the only way is to pick sides with the legion.
A shame. He should not be essential :tongue:

I know. I started a new character and joined the Legion, but got bored and went back to my old one.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:15 pm

I know. I started a new character and joined the Legion, but got bored and went back to my old one.

For me was a hard choice. Since I dont like the empire either.
But Ulfric.... argh....

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:28 pm

Because Vladimir Kulich has to die a hero for his cause.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw4RAkCiwvw

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:49 pm

Ulfric is a racist [censored].

Do you have any proofs about that? I have heard many saying this on forums but I doubt it. I have never seen or heard Ulfric doing or saying anything racist. All ingame information about Ulfiric being racist I have heard from NPCs who are supporting Imperials so their word can't be trusted in this case - it might as well be propaganda. If you have solid proofs about this let me know. Otherwise I will totally disagree with your comment.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:59 pm

Do you have any proofs about that? I have heard many saying this on forums but I doubt it. I have never seen or heard Ulfric doing or saying anything racist. All ingame information about Ulfiric being racist I have heard from NPCs who are supporting Imperials so their word can't be trusted in this case - it might as well be propaganda. If you have solid proofs about this let me know. Otherwise I will totally disagree with your comment.

Maybe the fact that he forces the Dark Elves to live in a slum and has laws that treat the Dunmer like second-class citizens.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:47 pm

Maybe the fact that he forces the Dark Elves to live in a slum.

No he doesn't. They can move out if they have money. Ulfric just isn't letting them have any house they want for free. They want free housing? Fine. But it's gonna be houses they have to repair themselves. And let's not pretend that the Grey Quarter was in disrepair before the Dunmer showed up.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:46 pm

Maybe the fact that he forces the Dark Elves to live in a slum and has laws that treat the Dunmer like second-class citizens.

Don't forget he leaves the Grey Quarter guard-less and doesn't keep his own citizens in line, sure the Dunmer govern themselves but if a Dunmer arrested a nord for causing troubles the entire nord population of the city would go on a riot.

No he doesn't. They can move out if they have money. Ulfric just isn't letting them have any house they want for free. They want free housing? Fine. But it's gonna be houses they have to repair themselves. And let's not pretend that the Grey Quarter was in disrepair before the Dunmer showed up.

Actually the grey quarter was previously known as the snow quarter and was basically middle class housing if you believe what NPCs say.

» Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:21 am

Don't forget he leaves the Grey Quarter guard-less and doesn't keep his own citizens in line, sure the Dunmer govern themselves but if a Dunmer arrested a nord for causing troubles the entire nord population of the city would go on a riot.

Untrue. If I kill Dunmer in the Grey Quarter, I get arrested.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:37 pm

Untrue. If I kill Dunmer in the Grey Quarter, I get arrested.

Because the game is programmed to do that. In lore, he'd do nothing.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:54 pm

Untrue. If I kill Dunmer in the Grey Quarter, I get arrested.

1. That is a terrible example
2. Gameplay =/= lore for instance it's mentioned that Ulfric ignores non-nord settlements and caravans from being attacked but you can get quests from the steward that has you save non-nord citizens, it's a gameplay thing thus not lore.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:47 pm

1. That is a terrible example
2. Gameplay =/= lore for instance it's mentioned that Ulfric ignores non-nord settlements and caravans from being attacked but you can get quests from the steward that has you save non-nord citizens, it's a gameplay thing thus not lore.

Sources, please. I look forward to shutting down this argument just like I did with Pelinal.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:52 pm

Sources, please. I look forward to shutting down this argument just like I did with Pelinal.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Brunwulf_Free-Winter

» Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:39 am

Because the game is programmed to do that. In lore, he'd do nothing.

That's not true. The guards don't attack you when you're in duels. Bethesda could've flagged the Dunmer in the Grey Quarter as duelists or foes. They didn't.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:04 pm

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Brunwulf_Free-Winter

Okay. The very quest that Freewinter tells you that Ulfric ignores, Ulfric sends you to do via his steward. Yawn.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:56 pm

Sources, please. I look forward to shutting down this argument just like I did with Pelinal.

Go read up on Ulfric, Windhelm, and Brunwulf.

» Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:48 am

That's not true. The guards don't attack you when you're in duels. Bethesda could've flagged the Dunmer in the Grey Quarter as duelists or foes. They didn't.

They don't attack because the person in the duels attack you first.

Okay. The very quest that Freewinter tells you that Ulfric ignores, Ulfric sends you to do via his steward. Yawn.

Radiant quests don't count because every steward gives you them, it's a gameplay mechanic thus it's not a valid counter argument.

» Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:00 am

Go read up on Ulfric, Windhelm, and Brunwulf.

I have. And more than you have, apparently.

They don't attack because the person in the duels attack you first.

Uh, I always attack duelists first and the guards don't jump me.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:32 pm

They don't attack because the person in the duels attack you first.

Was just about to say that.

I have. And more than you have, apparently.
Uh, I always attack duelists first and the guards don't jump me.

Again, because that's programmed in.
When you start a duel, guards are told by the game to not attack you or the person you're fighting.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:06 pm

Untrue. If I kill Dunmer in the Grey Quarter, I get arrested.

In a game where horses report crimes. My point being the crime system AI obviously applies everywhere equally, regardless of the status of certain races, I don't think it was deliberate choice on the part of the developers to have this happen, rather they just didn't account for situations such as the Grey Quarter.

Also, he does nothing to stop the abuse they get from certain (Rolff) NPCs. Walking around at night screaming insults is at the very least public disorder, but no Nord with the except of Brunwulf tries to shut him up.

» Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:45 am

Radiant quests don't count because every steward gives you them, it's a gameplay mechanic thus it's not a valid counter argument.

No? Okay. We'll ignore it for a moment.

Do you have exact quotes on what Freewinter says? Do you know of anyone in game, aside from Freewinter, who confirms Freewinter's story?

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:14 pm

No? Okay. We'll ignore it for a moment.

Do you have exact quotes on what Freewinter says? Do you know of anyone in game, aside from Freewinter, who confirms Freewinter's story?

Just because he is the only one that says it doesn't mean a thing, it's still considered canon unless you can present something that contradicts it that isn't from a gameplay mechanic like the radiant quests which are randomly selected.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:01 pm

Also, he does nothing to stop the abuse they get from certain (Rolff) NPCs. Walking around at night screaming insults is at the very least public disorder, but no Nord with the except of Brunwulf tries to shut him up.

Now that's true. But Nords (And dunmer, at least in Morrowind) insult and are insulted pretty often. Seems a trifling issue for a jarl to deal with. Maybe a Dunmer should just put Rolff in his place? I mean, it's what the PC is capable of doing in the first three minutes of being in Windhelm.