So... uh... why can only shields and twohanders defend?

Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:36 am

Does in some magazine already mentioned thats different weapons has different block power?
I just forgot is thats true or thats reference to durability of item that can be damaged when parry an attack?
Also under question dual wielding parry or not?
I believe we still can parry with one weapon if we have free hand with nothing else wielded by it.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:22 pm

Any news from Pete Hines on the matter? We have condradicting info from official sources here. No reason to hush up.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:21 am

I believe we still can parry with one weapon if we have free hand with nothing else wielded by it.

What's the point of being able to block with a one-handed weapon if you can't do it while your off-hand is occupied with anything other than shield that you would use for blocking anyway?

All of the conversation and facts considered, what the mag said just doesn't make sense. It's probably a screw-up on their part.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:35 pm

As others have said in earlier posts on the Podcast it says that the right trigger/Mouse button will attack with whatever weapon you have in your right hand, and the left trigger/mouse button will attack with whatever weapon you have in your left hand and then when both are held you will block.

So you can block with whatever you have in your hands, it will be the effectivness of that block that will be defined by sword, hands, or shield.


But think about this.........how cool would it be to just have a sword in your right hand and nothing in your left, you are smashing your sword onto an enemies shield unsuccessfully so, with the left trigger you deliver a hand to hand jab that throws the enemy of balance to deliver the crushing overhand blow with your sword. Finally you can use hand to hand in conjunction with a weapon.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:17 pm

And what about a shield in one hand and a magic in another? Can we be able to block and cast spells?
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:15 am

if you get hit at all your defence has failed, armour is just to dampen your failure defending yourself, so we are still back to the two main ways that are defence, blocking or dodging, and if there ain′t no block then I′m left dodging, and then we come back to being a sword mage is useless since you might as well be a full blown mage and nuke stuff at range.


You still take damage from blocking in oblivion... soo why does it matter if you have a shied in the way or not? Getting hurt is getting hurt. Yeah, using a shied lessens the blow... but it does not negate the enemy attack... also, you cannot block magic.. so either way all a shied is is another layer of defense... blocking isn't really as important as you make it out to be. The stun effect of blocking an enemy is vital however, but still, you can get around that. You can be a spellsword effectively without blocking... you may have to. I don't think this wikl be the case, but done let something so minor affect you're playstyle so dramatically. In my eyes you're making mountains out of mole hills.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:48 am

But think about this.........how cool would it be to just have a sword in your right hand and nothing in your left, you are smashing your sword onto an enemies shield unsuccessfully so, with the left trigger you deliver a hand to hand jab that throws the enemy of balance to deliver the crushing overhand blow with your sword. Finally you can use hand to hand in conjunction with a weapon.

You should be able to do it as that is soooo badass barbarian, which describes Skyrim nicely :thumbsup: .
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:51 pm

In my eyes you're making mountains out of mole hills.


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Well said! And raises another important question...will there be mole hills in the game?? :D
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:18 am

It's funny how people just assume you can't block with a one handed sword just because someone said so without stating a source or any facts to back it up of any kind. I mean, you could go out and find the facts, they are actually out there and have been for some time, but freaking out for no reason is just so much more amusing. Continue.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:32 pm

This is possibly the first information I'm not happy about. One of greater improvements over Morrowind in Oblivion was that you could block with weapons as well, blocking was actually blocking now, this is a step back, and I hope the mag got it wrong, or that they can still find a solution.

Blocking with a sword is really more of someone actually deflecting, so I wouldn't mind if say you could block an incoming attack, be "striking" the incoming weapon with your own attack.

That would damage your sword a lot
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:31 am

EDIT: sorry, wrong thread.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:00 am

It has to do with controls I think. Imagine a game like Halo. If you hold the sniper, you left click to shoot, right click to zoom. But while holding two SMG's, you left click to shoot left gun, and right for right. So while holding a 2H sword, left swings, and right blocks. But while holding two swords, left and right attack with the left and right weapons. I think that contributed to the decision.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:12 pm

It's funny how people just assume you can't block with a one handed sword just because someone said so without stating a source or any facts to back it up of any kind. I mean, you could go out and find the facts, they are actually out there and have been for some time, but freaking out for no reason is just so much more amusing. Continue.

You do realize that there are two official sources contradicting here, don't you?
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:25 pm

You do realize that there are two official sources contradicting here, don't you?


It's not clear that they are contradictory. What we've heard is that you can't block with a one-handed weapon + spell combination. That is all. For all we've heard, one can block with all other combat styles.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:10 pm

its kinda hard to block a heavy weapon with one handed weapon
unless your dual wielding
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:21 am

If sneak attacks are to be as powerful as has been suggested, I'll never need to block. :)
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:06 am

Lack of buttons...

Well there are 4 trigger, 4 buttons 4 tabs and 2 clicks, as well as 2 options buttons.
That's more than enough,
triggers: attack and block for l and r.( the shoulders could be used for object movement when your weapon is holstered)
Buttons: action, jump, Inven menu, holster
Tabs: quick select and crouch.
Clicks: sprint and shout.
Options: pause menu, wait.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:52 am

Magic is simply a different combat style from either defeisve or offensive combat its magic based even if you also have a sword or shield.. the magic dominates.

Oh and on thehow do you block if you have just a single one handed weapon... they already said you can use any one handed weapon 2 handed and if your using a weapon 2 handed its left block right attack...
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:48 am

You know, you can probably still parry with one handed swords, which could prove to be a just as if not more interesting playstyle than mashing the block key. :shrug:
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:05 am

You should be able to block without a spell in the other hand.

However, the reason is "it is done to make you play more stratigically - be more offensive, defensive, magic based etc."

I don't think that more strategic fights is worse than more realistic fights.


I don't even see how it's more strategic - what kind of strategy is not parrying a weapon that's coming at your face?
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:54 pm

I don't even see how it's more strategic - what kind of strategy is not parrying a weapon that's coming at your face?

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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:41 am

Magic is simply a different combat style from either defeisve or offensive combat its magic based even if you also have a sword or shield.. the magic dominates.

Oh and on thehow do you block if you have just a single one handed weapon... they already said you can use any one handed weapon 2 handed and if your using a weapon 2 handed its left block right attack...


I can understand the reason behind why you can't block with one hand, but as you say, one can still parry and deflect. Hopefully. IF we can't block with one handed weapons, well, then that is that, I just don't like the thought of having no defensive capabilities, well I guess some sort of spell would do, didn't the sounds of skyrim video talk about a sound for something called iron skin?
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:34 am

All of this magazine coverage is horrible. It's like they just watched a demo and every magazine is just putting their own interpretation of what they saw into their article.

If this is true that you won't be able to block if you only have one weapon drawn that's going to be horrible. It's one thing to try to make the combat more interesting (something I would really like), but this would just be ridiculous.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:43 am

if you get hit at all your defence has failed, armour is just to dampen your failure defending yourself

Tell that to a warrior tank. Your defense is there to lessen damage. Being hit is not a failure of defense (unless your strategy revolves around dodging and avoidance, which blocking doesn't help with), because being hit is what your armor and magical shields are there to deal with. Blocking is just an extra component of defense, with an active trigger. That's it.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:08 am

I thought I heard once that when you press both triggers you block? Or when you press both mouse buttons? I know I heard this. But if you have a shield then it would be left trigger for block.
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