So... uh... why can only shields and twohanders defend?

Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:55 am

In a quote on the blurb in the official Playstation Magazine, I read this:

"-If you are using a two handed weapon then you use Left Trigger to block and Right trigger to attack, however if you have a one handed weapon in one hand and a spell in the other, you won't be able to block - left trigger will then be a spell and right will be attack - it is done to make you play more stratigically - be more offensive, defensive, magic based etc."


So... uh... why is parrying, one of the most basic swordsmanship moves, the purview of only a twohander weapon? Why must we have a shield or twohander to defend against melee attacks?
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Chris Johnston
 
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:01 pm

Because someone made a poor decision.
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:25 pm

That would svck.
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Ezekiel Macallister
 
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:38 pm

Maybe because it was proofread about as well as the magazine that spawned the "Crossbows are in!!one!!!1!" thread?

:shrug:
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:27 am

well shield, two handed and dual-wielding will offer block, so far only weapon/spell is known not to have block, still that is stupid in my mind, and kinda makes the idea of a spell sword near worthless.
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:42 pm

You should be able to block without a spell in the other hand.

However, the reason is "it is done to make you play more stratigically - be more offensive, defensive, magic based etc."

I don't think that more strategic fights is worse than more realistic fights.
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:52 pm

Wasn't it said in the podcast that blocking is done by pressing BOTH triggers/buttons?

I believe it was. That magazine is most likely incorrect.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:24 am

I don't know maybe this? "it is done to make you play more stratigically - be more offensive, defensive, magic based etc."
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:48 pm

I'm really hoping that the magazine info was wrong. So far, that's the only thing that I really don't like that I've heard.

The way I read it is that mage's really don't have a way to block physical attacks, unless they carry around a shield or something. I'd at least like to see a spell that can ward off physical attacks or something.
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:13 pm

I don't know maybe this? "it is done to make you play more strategically - be more offensive, defensive, magic based etc."


the fact spells are equipped like weapons is enough to make it more strategically, they don′t need to shoehorn us into basicly become full blown mages, since having a mix of melee and magic has become more hindered then help.
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:27 pm

Yeah, it pretty much guts the Battlemage/Spellsword. No way to stop a melee attack unless you put the fireball away and whip out the shield. Are we regressing back to Morrowind in terms of general usability of magic in combat?
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:20 pm

I'm really hoping that the magazine info was wrong. So far, that's the only thing that I really don't like that I've heard.

The way I read it is that mage's really don't have a way to block physical attacks, unless they carry around a shield or something. I'd at least like to see a spell that can ward off physical attacks or something.

You could always hold a http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Shield in your off hand, assuming they still have those spells.

Also, as I said, listen to the podcast. I could SWEAR it says that, to block, you press down BOTH triggers.
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:39 pm

The shield spell boosts your armor rating, dude.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:33 am

In a French magazine we read that pressing both triggers will make you block. You might think that this contradicts the information from OXM. But I'm not so sure. Here's what I posted in the thread on the OXM info (thanks to Fearless Hero for prompting these thoughts):

I'm not entirely sure that they are contradictory. At least, I can come up with a (somewhat forced) interpretation of the quote from Todd which reconciles it with the French info. The idea is that when Todd says that "pressing the left trigger makes you block", that's in the context of having a weapon in your right hand. If you have a weapon in your right hand, pressing the right trigger makes you swing the weapon in your right hand. But if you have a weapon in both hands, then how do you block? Well, according to the French info, you press both triggers. And here's how I think we can interpret Todd as also meaning something like this: when he says "pressing the left trigger makes you block", he means that pressing the left trigger makes you block when you are also pressing the right trigger. The thing is, given the new casting system, this might not work for spells. Holding down the right trigger and pressing the left trigger might alter the spell you are casting, but it won't make you block.

Of course, that's a strained way of reading Todd's words. And there are other questions it raises:
1) What about if you're using a one-handed weapon without anything in the other hand, or you are using a two-handed weapon? Answer: easy, pressing left trigger makes you block, whether or not you are also holding down the right trigger.
2) What about if you are holding down the left trigger and then press the right trigger - would that make you block? Answer: well, if my interpretation is right, then yes it would.
3) But then, why does Todd only refer to the left trigger, rather than saying something like "pressing one trigger while holding down the other"? Answer: this is exactly why it's a strained interpretation. :D

But, it's worth keeping in mind:
1) Just because a journalist puts something in quotation marks, it doesn't mean that this is exactly what Todd uttered. Journalists routinely misquote. Examples can be provided upon request.
2) Whether my interpretation is right or not seems to depend a lot on the context in which Todd was saying whatever he said. Depending on what sorts of presuppositions were in play about what the character had equipped, what it was doing in combat, and so on, then my interpretation is more or less natural.

Anyway: just some thoughts if you want to remain optimistic. :D


Hope that helps.
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:52 am

Wasn't it said that there is a separate block button?
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:04 pm

The shield spell boosts your armor rating, dude.

Yes, and a potential 100% (depends on how they do their limits, even 85% is insane) armor rating is nothing to scoff at.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:40 am

Everyone has their defensive abilities:

Combat: Block / Shield
Magic: Shield Spells / Magic Resistance
Stealth: Invisibility/Chameleon (avoid being seen = avoid being hit)
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:04 am

In a quote on the blurb in the official Playstation Magazine, I read this:



So... uh... why is parrying, one of the most basic swordsmanship moves, the purview of only a twohander weapon? Why must we have a shield or twohander to defend against melee attacks?


Because it helps balance dual wielding and it makes some sense also. Mainly it's for balance because if you can block while dual wielding, then what's the point of using any other style?
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:28 pm

pointless platform bashing removed
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:59 pm

Because it helps balance dual wielding and it makes some sense also. Mainly it's for balance because if you can block while dual wielding, then what's the point of using any other style?


actually dual-wielding hasen′t been denied blocking, as for balance, well obviously it would be the same as the one between blocking with a sword and blocking with a shield in oblivion
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:27 pm

Because it helps balance dual wielding and it makes some sense also. Mainly it's for balance because if you can block while dual wielding, then what's the point of using any other style?

Honestly, I would have to agree with this point of view the most. There HAS to be a draw back to dual wielding, and I think not being able to block is a good trade off for effectively doubling your damage.
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:41 pm

Honestly, I would have to agree with this point of view the most. There HAS to be a draw back to dual wielding, and I think not being able to block is a good trade off for effectively doubling your damage.


They could always just make it harder to block when dualwielding.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:30 am

Because it helps balance dual wielding and it makes some sense also. Mainly it's for balance because if you can block while dual wielding, then what's the point of using any other style?


They could make a dual wield block less effective than that with a shield or one weapon?

I don't know, not being able to block just because you have a spell activated sounds kinda lame, but I guess it won't be that difficult to just hot key between "stances".
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:41 pm

They could always just make it harder to block when dualwielding.


yeah, some seam to forget Oblivion already had worked a balance between weapons, shield blocking, so just lift that into Skyrim.
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Post » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:50 pm

I suspect that not being able to block while having a spell equipped has more to do with the new casting system, rather than with balance.

We've heard that with a single spell, you can get different effects by "how you cast". But how do you, the player, alter how the spell is cast? Well, by what buttons you press of course. My guess is that one way you do this is by holding down block while you press the cast key/button. So, for example, to make the fireball spell cast as a defensive rune on the ground, you hold block and then cast. This puts a "fire rune" on the ground in front of you, rather than shooting a fireball.

Two points:
1) This doesn't mean you can't block with a shield + spell. If you have a shield in your right hand, then the button to use your right hand will allow you to block with the shield. It's just that if you've got a weapon in your right hand, then the button to use your right hand will make you swing your weapon.
2) This leaves open the possibility that dual wielding one-handed weapons will still allow you to block.
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