Yes it is very brutal when I snipe vet Legionaires 5 times and they have no defense and die of lead poisoning ............ very brutal.

Have you even played fo nv?

I voted others, since that I support Legion, because I just cannot stand the NCR and their idea of restoring the Pre-War glory days

I despise slavery and crucifixtion, but since that I ve always roleplayed evil characters first, Im just indifferent about them

Perhaps I was not clear when I created the thread. If you DO support the Legion, then obviously this thread and its poll are not for you!

I'm really not looking for a debate here but if you honestly find slavery in real life okay then I feel for you dude. I had a much harsher response in mind but really what would that solve.

All I'm saying is the legion debates and their views on changing the world and their tactics is different. It's a game. It takes place in a world, far, far different from ours that is so broken everyone is struggling to find an answer to live, to pick up the pieces.

We don't live in that world. Our world isn't perfect but it has surpassed the need of slavery. All I'm saying is, it's REALLY easy to make these kind of statements from the comfort of a computer chair.

Disregarding that you can say that about every faction in the game, do you really take gameplay over lore?

Yeah I have and the Legion are a powerful military force. And I can do the same thing to NCR troops, you know why because your the Courier and its a video game. Realistically speaking the Legion is extremely powerful. Listen to the stories of Legion battle in the game buddy.

Josh, I don't mean to throw stones but really dude?

There's no way you actually believe that.

He was talking about the videogame itself, not real life

Rook: You are blindly bias against legion, so there is no reason to try to argue with you

Whenever there is a thread supporting the Legion all of the NCR fans come in and piss the Legion fans off so thats what I am doing here.


I don't find it okay but if its legal I ain't going to turn down the opportunity. Anything that makes my life easier is welcome. Sure there humans and they have lives and being owned by someone else ruins there lives but hey, if it makes mine better...


I don't believe slavery is good, not one bit, but if it was legal I am not going to turn down the opportunity.

No, I'm pretty sure he met real life. I would like confirmation from Josh if he meant real life or not. If he's talking videogame self that's a different matter. But I'm pretty sure he meant real. If not then I misunderstood.

Edit: Josh I hope you realize that is extremely selfish and well immoral.

The Legion's Bright Future is worse than one I would see under Cook-Cook to be honest. Their ideal of Heaven is honestly my idea of Hell. Safety and security bought at the price of the liberty of others and Taliban-esque treatment of women would be enough to suggest suicide is a sensible moral alternative to life (thank you Arcade). Again, the means aren't the only thing I loathe - I hate the ENDS.

but yes, it's a video game. Supporting the Legion in-game is no more relevant to real life than thinking the Empire in Star Wars is cool.

I was speaking in real life, but listen, I don't support slavery but if it was legal I wouldn't turn down the opportunity. Yeah I know its morally wrong but anything that makes my life easier is welcome. And I wouldn't be a mean slave owner. I would treat them like a roommate .

Then you are an incredibly lazy and selfish person.

I guess so :shrug:

The legion will only stand so long as they have an external enemy. Slavery, treating women as pvssyl, rampant cannibalism, all of that is secondary. Caesar would damn the whole of north America to endless war and suffering, just so he can have his little empire of destruction. If the legion doesn't have a constant flow of enemies to "test themselves against" they will turn inward and start fighting amongst themselves. Either way, the only thing the legion offers to the rest of the world is constant war, pain, blood and suffering in the name of "strength."


If this is true, then you are nothing more than scum in need of being excised from the human race, preferably via violent force.

Once they conquered everyone and there were no factions left then the Legion would of accomplished there goals and would change the way the have been doing things drastically.

I said Im not fighting lore. Im fighting guys that only 1 in 4 of them have a gun.

NCR can at least take a good amount of hp when I fight them , because they can attempt to defend themselves from ranged attack.
They all have guns and return fire at a high rate. cl nope.

We must not be playing the same game.

CL are the biggest group of scrubs in the wasteland. They have only faced 1 hard enemy NCR and they lost.

Any major faction that we have seen in the U.S. would beat them in a lore battle.

They have no place as a major contender in fo.

Screw the Empire, Trade Federation is betters, videogame-wise of course

Still doesn't change the fact you are forcing someone to bondage and dictating their entire lives and basic freedoms. There is no place for it.

I'm trying to remain civil here dude but you are making that very, very difficult.

Well its just me, but its not legal and I don't own any slaves so don't worry about it dude. Just chill and play some Fallout

Sometimes I think that some people cannot stand that other people support evil faction and then they goes all RAGE against them

True, slavery isn't legal. I just hope it never comes to pass again or you change your mind someday and see how bad that thought really is.

In the business of remaining civil I bid you an Ave.

@Dario:
I'm not "raging" against him, so don't lump me in there. and he's not simply saying so in videogame terms he is talking real life. Talking about the legion and their ways is okay but once you say "yeah, real slaves would be cool." is when I step in and have a problem. So don't just simply go "u mad bro?" on me. Seriously.

I do realize its bad, very bad but I ain't one to live up to morals. But I don't see a time in the future were slavery will be legal again so thats good. Besides I wouldn't really need them anyways, its not like my life is that difficult.

I never said Comrade Shaw in my previous post :rolleyes:

Eh, maybe I'm just a little on edge. This is why I don't like jumping in on these discussions sometimes, things get cross wired and stuff gets heavy. Just thought you were lumping me in there, my bad. We cool?