As far that we are talking about videogames, people can even support the Darkspawn if they want

You actually believe that? Do you really think switching societal gears is just a matter of "well thats done, time for something different?" You're a fool. Say Caesar or some of his descendants manages to conquer all (never happen). You know what would happen after he step sin to stop various cities and clans and legions from turning on each other and tells everyone that now is the time for some sort of peace? They'll kill him and start massive infighting for dominance, eventually leading to the fall of the empire and centuries of chaos and darkness.

There's already a precedent in human history for exactly that. It's called the goddamed Dark Ages for a reason.

Oh, and no, the Legions isn't a military force to reckon with. Oh, for isolated platoons and the like they'd a tough fight, but a powerful enemy? Don't make me laugh. Know what happens when lines upon lines of men with light arms and melee weapons charge sandbag walls and machine guns? Here's a clue; look up the battle of the Somme.

Calm the [censored] down buddy. No need to insult me, did I insult you? And I know the Legion will never conquer the rest of the USA and neither will the NCR, its not the way Fallout roles. But if the Legion did conquer the USA then there goals would be achieved and the Legion would have there perfect society.

This a videogame, trying to argue with a real-life events is.... a little irrelevant , Caesar Legion can stand a good fight with the NCR if the devs of the game want in that way, also, CL soldiers uses guns too, If the Courier survived a shot in the head, and at the moment, survived battles with raider and others creeps, then everything could happen

I find ignorance insulting.

And no, their "perfect society" would last all of ten minutes before the infighting started. The legion needs an external enemy to constantly measure itself against, to constantly clash against, and to constantly bleed off the internal pressures a "warrior society" generates in the populace. Without that external enemy, the legion will tear itself apart and drag north america into a new dark age that would have done the Steel Plague proud.

I have no problem with what they do to their slaves, its a video game.
Main problem is 95% of them are scrubs or grossly under equiped


They are bad for fo game play.

So you're trolling? Posting in the thread solely to annoy those around you trying to have a serious discussion? I see.

It does not need an external enemy and why would infighting start when they were the only ones and they were in control? It doesn't make sense. And I was not ignorant at all.

EDIT: @Vicentegrev I am not trolling one bit. Look at all of my posts. They are discussing the Legion legitimately. No trolling involved.

I'd really need to see their more established areas before I judge fully. From what I can see in FONV, the worst part about them is the lies. The lies and deceit.

They CLAIM that their brutal methods are for a noble goal.
They CLAIM that the ends justify the means.
They CLAIM that they are the strongest and safest.

I see none of these things. The Fort isn't any safer than McCarren. The Fort is certainly much less safe than the strip (especially post securitron upgrades) The only thing remotely safe about the Fort is that they strip you down upon entry. And that's not safety, that's impotence and fear. Caeser is afraid that any random visitor could overpower and outgun his troops.

Outside the fort, the legion troops on the roads aren't any stronger than the NCR troops they face. With the latest patch, NCR tends to wipe the floor with legion skirmishers.

And I haven't seen one scrap of what made Rome great.

Where's the agriculture and irrigation for which Rome was famous? Oh wait, the NCR is working on that (share croppers)

Where are the paved roads or other method of transportation? Oh wait, NCR has that (monorail)

Where's the technological or scientific advances? Oh wait, NCR again (there stands a grass, Helios) also the boomers (lady in the water) BoS (maybe) and some random kid named Max (Elucid C-Finder) ... All more technologically advanced than Caeser/Kaiser.

The Legion had to STEAL a part from the boomers to get one howitzer working. One. And the courier actually did the repair work. Meanwhile, the boomers themselves keep many, many howitzers in perfect working condition through a LOT of use, and did I mention The Lady in the Water. The Boomers built and flew a friggin BOMBER using 2 old busted bomber frames. That's just shy of building a miniature Arc Reactor in a cave, with a box of scraps!!

Enlighten me. Tell me ONE thing caesar has done to improve the world. Aside from brutally murdering some petty criminals in Nipton, he hasn't done squat. And really, who were the Nipton crowd hurting? Sure they were junkies and prosttutes ... But they weren't staging massive raids or anything. When Caeser takes out the powder gangers, lemme know. Until I see proof to the contrary, Caesar is just a thug. Nothing more than a tribal leader like Papa Khan, with an overinflated ego.

Is the NCR perfect? No. But they're actually trying to make the world a bit better. Even if some people are getting a kinda bum deal from the NCR (Sloan money exchange rate, share croppers, taxes on Goodsprings) thats still 100x better than being enslaved, tortured and crucified.


Just to compare those options again ...

1) Poor monetary exchange rate, and taxes
2) Enslaved, sold into prostitution, tortured and/or crucified

Yeah, I'd probably stick with #1.

Edit: seems rather strange to me, that words used in the game are censored on the official game forums

The courier survived a single 9mm round to the forehead. People actually survive those every day, from soldiers in open warzones to gangers on some random street corner in south LA. And real life comparisons are a good thing, as suspension of disbelief is a cornerstone of every game in existence.

And we find insulting someone when that person didnt insult you an insult

He is just speculating of what could happen if Legion does not find another enemy to conquer, But neither CL and NCR could finish conquering the whole country, they are more powerful enemies out there, you have the BOS from Capital Wasteland, The Piit and their raiders, And whatever the Commonwhealth have it, without counting the MWBOS in the Midwestern Region of the USA

The MWBOS would [censored] own the Legion hands down. Well depending on the canon ending for Tactics which has not been stated. This is coming from someone who hates the MWBOS and loves the Legion....

I don't see this. The Legion is using slavery and assimilation of other cultures in order to create a stable platform for rebuilding society. Fine, I see that. However, this kind of expansion is not just a means to an end, its an end in itself. Firstly, the process of rebuilding will never cease since there will always be more land and people to conquer. Secondly, power would never be voluntarily relinquished since the whole basis for a Legion society depends on this basic hierarchy. Without it, the class system would collapse and the process of rebuilding would start again.

I don't even know why I'm trying to teach you a basic understanding of sociology, but here goes. One simple question; You have all those legionaires, all those trained fighting men that have been taught and indoctrinated since birth to be monstrously aggressive, take no prisoners, fight until their last breath, and have known nothing but constant war and bloodshed for the past several decades while living a life where brutality and excessive violence is not only encouraged, but rewarded. You have legions of men who know, as their barbaric society teaches, that their way is the only way, and that anyone weaker than they deserves to either be killed or enslaved. Now they're home after decades of endless war and conquest, and all their enemies have been crushed. And oh yeah, these legionaries and their methods are the very bedrock of the empire. Do you think they'll just shrug and say "whew! back to civilian life" or, start looking for "real" enemies (ie: other legions) that have proven their strength and will provide "worthy foes" for future glory and conquest to prove who the "real" Caesar (read: Warlord) is.

Stop thinking short term and start thinking consequences. There's a reason every civilized nation that's still standing works very hard to keep the aggression of it's populace in check, and it's not because they're "weak."

It would be at least another 100 or even 200 years before the Legion would of conquered the USA and they could of changed drastically in that time. And neither of us can see into the future so you don't know if they are going to fall apart, and I don't know if they will create there perfect society but considering that it there goal its more likely to happen then them killing each other.

OK, I am leaving the posts - back on topic, anyone coming in here to troll and cause disruption will have me to deal with - if you have trouble with a Fallout faction, you ain't seen nothing.

I don't know about that. We know from canon that when Caesar dies, Lanius changes the Legion's profile from "rebuilding society" to "killing everything that's not Legion."

Well if that were the canon ending, they would have to deal with the rest of the NCR. This is only a tiny portion of what NCR has. They would have to deal with devastating western bos hit and runs as well.

Legion marching into Cali would likely lead to a bos NCR treaty. Then western bos could operate on all cylinders.

Mid west bos would crush cl, cw bos by the time cl got there would crush them as well. This all hinges on if they can even take the dam and nv. cl is doomed to failure IMO slaughtering tribals does not compair to the walking tank bos lore, or the bustling nation NCR has created.

I honesty don t see them getting an utter victory against any group we have seen. If they did take nv I think NCR would retool and come back soon.

I support the Legion... in the sense that I want the NCR dead - for completely personal reasons, nothing wrong with them as an organisation. I find it ironic thath Caesar thinks that he is such a big man in front of me, a citizen of the United States. This Cos-playing [censored] thinks he can order me around. He's not so smug after I've assassinated him :laugh:.

For purely objective reasons of course, rudeness isn't something which would make me kill him, all I want is a total bloodbath, regardless of who wins. I believe that Lanius, with my help after winning Hoover Dam, would lead an almost blitzkrieg like attack on the NCR and cause so much destruction and damaga. If the NCR though that supplying the Mojave was hard, here's hoping that the Monster from the East attacking Shady Sands (which isn't too far from Vegas actually) will help towards their doom. Even if it's just something like the NCR government becomes more dependant on Brahmin Barons money to fund the war o rebuilding, leading to more corruption by these greedy bastards and the whole Republic collaposes as a result of this.

Interesting, if slightly alarming, thread this.

OP, your poll needs either an 'almost all of the above' option or the ability to select multiple poll options. I cannot fully express my contempt for the Legion as it stands.

Legion is bad for business, they don't seem too savvy for hiring mercs, and even if they did, the kind of order they bring means no future business, plus the fact that Talon Company is a highly capitalistic group, and the Legion doesn't like. Best case scenario, Legion leaves TC alone and vice versa; worst case is TC - Legion war.

They can't even pronounce his name right...Stay true to Kaisar ROFL seriously though the only aspect i like of them is taking bits of armor from fallen enemies the rest of their ideals are garbage

Caesar is actually pronounced "Kaisar" using Latin pronunciation, so really, the entire NCR is pronouncing it wrong. and another think to respect them for is the great devotion and physical prowess of the Legionaries.

"Auferre, trucidare, raqere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant".

"They ravage, they slaughter, they usurp under false titles, and they call it Empire; they make a desert and call it peace".

I'll let Tacitus speak for me here. In the game, my sniper rifle will do most of the talking.

Lets see why...Slavery, Dont respect women, Think higher of themselves, not civilized, brutal, savages, and have no respect. There a terrible faction in terms of combat and talking to.