I understand the point just fine... people want togglable survival mode options which Bethesda shouldn't even take the time to add because they have more important things to do... if people want to cheat and not play the game the way it was meant to be played that is what mods are for Bethesda shouldn't have to work on cheat mode for you that has never been their style.

It all started back with the old C64, it was a more innocent time back then.....

Umm .. err ... Sorry? Real life got in the way and I lost an hour of play because I couldn't find a place to save.

I have already bought the season pass but I doubt very much I will touch Survival Mode. If other gamers like it and find that it enhances what they are looking for in the game then I am happy for it. Providing that it has no effect on my game, I care little for it. I'd rather have this to cater for those that want it rather than to change the original game.

The heck are you talking about? Who said anything about this "You want me to play a single player game the same way you do, and you seem to feel very strongly about that position. It's just a bit weird, mate." I have no idea what you are talking about. In any case, technically you do play Fallout 4 the same way I do.. You follow the set of rules bethesda has in their lines of code..

If this is your concern why are you playing survival mode?? You want to be coddled we get it, there are plenty of modes for that. But when you sign the dotted line of survival mode you should accept the responsibility's and consequences that come with it, such is the way of life...

For what it worthes, I think nobody should have an opinion before trying the survival mode, with all it's content and balance.

Everything here is speculative.

we dont know yet how this will go.

Don't agree with the last point. It's a sandbox style game and each player plays how they choose. Of course that is within the confines of the game's internal rules, the same as you live a life constricted by the laws of physics like everyone else.

So, if modding something out to make it easier (re: less annoying) is cheating, is modding something in to make it harder also cheating?

casual gamer = person who casualy games but it's not their main hobby

people see the word "casual" and they think someone calls them a filthy or dirty casual. when the sentence just says "casual".

same how "noob" came to existence coming from "newb" which meant "newbee" except that are words escalated from the word "newbee" and both have different meanings.

yet here we are not modifying the word and still taking it for what it is. while people are changing it for themselves without a reason, yeah these people with their long toes..

If you say it will be modded, someone will cry about how they're on console. Just play on hard instead of surv /solved.

If you play on pc, yeah there will always be mods for anything, so why cry in the first place?????????

Also F2? oh boy here comes to obsidian fandom. That figures. It's always something with you obsidian fans that need to point out something against Bethesda. And games had 2 colours? Oh really? Then why is someone who should be familiar with putting commands in a pc to boot a floppy disk up, where saving wasn't even existant, making a fuss about an optional difficulty setting where it takes out global saving???????

Yeah you really showed me old man rofl

+1

Said that before already too. This a different topic on saving, not on gun degredation. Plus gun degredation is not that bad of an idea anyway. But it should work like a buff where the buff charges wear out the more you shoot bullets. Not how it worked in F3, that was just tedious.

But honestly having read all these replies in the past hour. People just don't get it, they don't get the mentality of someone who is tryharding at highest difficulty. I wonder how that came to fruitation tho. People aren't competitive with themselves anymore?? They don't challenge themselves at all?? They rather care about some xbox/playstation trophy or steam achievement than actually just playing the game and beating it in their own mindset?

Actually I think toggle boxes concept is fine.

It is all in the line of how Bethesda games work.

Also Mount&Blade / Anno2070 had similar thing where you use sliders. And it works fine.

If people have no money to update their pc or play on their parent's tv with a console it is understandable for them that sometimes they need to shut down the game fast / it will CTD hard.

However what are they gonna do when the play games with savepoints? See, it's all about luxury. And honestly survival is a difficulty setting, for people who want to fight harder than the game allowed them before, not about any luxuries. It is infact, about giving up luxuries so you can push the envelope for yourself as a gamer.

If so you will start talking about boxes and sliders, I say it is selfish then because you still want to keep easy/medium/hard in the game aswell..

Where the games where it did work, was fully customizable.

Actually you are confusing "easy" and "less annoying", it seems

Coddled? Guess you missed the posts about me modding the game to be harder than it already is. Are you?

If they put in "Save on Sleep Only" I will most likely mod it out if it comes to that. SINCE THIS IS THE ONLY THING I DON"T LIKE ABOUT THE PROPOSED LIST OF THINGS ADDED TO THE SURVIVAL MODE.

Ugh. I don't want to save at beds, you do. You could save at beds on the current vanilla game if you wanted to, because you can self-impose that rule. If survival mode forces me to save at beds, then I can't do anything about it. Therefore, you want me to be forced in to playing the game the same way you do. That's the logical conclusion to what you're saying.

Of course not, but modding a survival mode so you can save spam and no longer have to be careful is cheating.

Everyone needs to stop with the insult and learn to have a civil discussion... you will only end up getting the thread locked if you don't.

Ehmmm, so why do they have to add something like save on rest and no fast travel? Surely, you have enough spine and self-restrain to do this on your own, without having bethesda waste valueable time implementing it into the game, when it is already possible.

this answer is interesting.

How can you "lose" an hour of play? Arent you entertained for this hour?

your character dies so you just "lose", (or "forget") this hour? like if playing was something you dont enjoy?

It kills the suspense when you know you can save anytime you want and arent you able to just not play survival mode??

Obsidian Fandom? Guess it depends on where I am in my time line. Sure, I liked those games, back when they were new and all.

Now, not so much. After Fallout 4 was released I pick up Fallout and Fallout 2 for cheap. Felt nostalgic. Stopped playing them about a bout 5 or 10 minutes.

I described playing them as: "I would of had more fun hooking my chicken nuggets up to a car battery."

And frankly, I've been saving only at a bed for the last few days ... unless I really need to stop for some sort of emergency (only once), or if I am experimenting with something.

Opinions upon opinions. Quite the meta-discussion there.

Anyway, since Survival is entirely optional, BGS can do what they want with it as far as I am concerned. Maybe I will use it for Far Harbor, and maybe I won't. Depends on how it works.

So you need it forced upon you, for it to have any meaning?

Moderators should have taken one look at this threads title, and locked the thread.

You do know there is a mod that removes Fast Travel ... I use it. You could too.

Why should others be forced to play a certain way. And telling them to use a lower difficulty setting is doing just that. If they don't want to play with "Save on Sleep Only" or "No Fast Travel" they can't play with off the other Survival Mode additions.

Exactly! And thats my point, you said I want you to play like me... If you mean literally, I have no idea what you are talking about...

But if you meant in the confines of the set of rules as per your great example about life then yes...

I dont want to impose anything. But heres the catch, Survival mode is a mode...

A mode is a set of strict rules that the player must abide by. For example, when you play games like devil may cry where they have a mode where you die on one hit. When you accept that challenge you cant complain that it should have been that you die on 3 hits instead of one.

Modes are given by the developer to create challenge some games allow you to customize your mode like in Battlefield on their servers, but the fact remains. Once the match starts you have to play by those rules... Obviously you weren't around to play any older games that feature real modes or you would understand this concept...

Aside from the fact that the op of both threads is actively discussing each thread on the other. Flaming people who disagree with them. And creating threads to brigade against other points of views.


Three things that are explicitly against forum rules. My contributions in this thread is due to there not being a report button for mobile version of the forums.