I'm starting to notice a lot of people asking for survival mode to be dumbed down and stripped of features because they "think"... NOT "know", but "think" it will be too hard for them... I dont think people realize that Survival Mode is suppose to be a mode harder in difficulty by adding real world mechanics to survive. This mode is not for everyone, I repeat this mode is NOT FOR EVERYONE...

A casual gamer complaining about its difficulty is like a kid complaining that their parents bills are too much. The kid is not even suppose to be concerned about their parents bills because the kids life is so much more simpler... The parent has to pay the bills no matter what, but the kid says "Daddy that bill is too much dont pay it". Survival mode is something for gamers that want to go the extra mile for a challenge..

Its not meant for casual gamers that want everything they see.. Going back to the kid anology. A kid looks over at their parents plate and see that there is a lot more food on their plate. The kid ask for more food and has no knowledge that their little tummys cant fit that amount of food in their stomach.

Survival Mode should be playable and reasonable and I'm absolutely on board with that idea... What doesnt make sense is when a perfectly reasonable feature like needing to save at a bed is "too much" for the player... The whole point of that mechanic is that the player shouldnt be able to save the game at every corner at any giving time. This is reminiscent of older games where you had static save points and could not choose where or when you wanted to save, but you had to be good enough to perform your mission and make it to the next save point. This is just one example but I keep seeing people keep dismissing the thought of improving survival mode because they think its too difficult..

This is what Survival mode is about... For the people that this applies to, stay in your lane!

Hilarious to watch you get all bent out of shape at my reply, you made a suggestion that weapon degradation should be included back in the revamped survival mode, you were met with disagreement by much of the forum community, and now you don't like the answers you're getting and want to call everyone casuals.


It was a bad system, which is why it was removed, features that do nothing but force players to partake in tedious menial tasks to thrive within the game are terrible systems.


Carrying around multiple weapons just so I could repair it after a few dozens of rounds fired was absolutely ridiculous and not realistic in the slightest as you so love to claim, having to travel to a workbench to do it isn't any better.


Some people here have a tendency to confuse busywork with "hardcoe" and "atmosphere"

As a casual gamer, I take offense. It isn't that casual gamers don't like it because "it's too difficult," it's because it is either annoying (because real life might get in the way, so they can't stop and find a place to save, and loose the progress they made) or it is problematic (loosing progress because the game crashed and there isn't a resent save.)

Most, is not all, of the other items in the "Survival Mode" list are, for the most part, acceptable to everyone.

And I speak as someone who has several of the features in the list already modded into my game, along with other "Survival" mods not on the list of changes.

And, all I have to say to you is: "Calm down snowflake."

Wow, you really "know" it.

No I dont, but I'm not the one dismissing ideas before I even try it...

This is nothing but flaming......

it is that

As has been said literally hundreds of times now, it's not the difficulty of the saving at beds which people are turned off by, it's the fact that Bethesda games are too buggy for this to be viable. That's the issue. I really don't understand why these threads keep appearing, what are people not getting at this point

Good points... i hope bethesda doesnt listen to them and instead focuses on making survival mode a hardcoe experience like its meant to be... come on people survival mode is optional for a reason because it is hardcoe so if you want a casual experience just go play easy mode and stop ruining everything for everyone else.

Bethesda shouldn't have to do extra work for you guys... they should focus on the hardcoe gamers like the mode is meant for and you should just play easy mode...

You have no idea what you are talking about. My only issue is when people have no business talking about a certain issue but they do anyways because its the "cool thing to do". This is much bigger than you, trust that...

I'll use an example. Years ago VR was introduced but not well received because the technology was not there. Nobody spoke of it again for a long while because A. There was a bad reputation behind it. and B. The technology wasnt there to fully realize the vision.

My issue is that people hold on to things, and banish it. That mindset is poisonous to man. You think if man failed a trip to the moon, they should just call it quits and never try it again??

The majority of the people who disagreed with me were forming their opinion on the old degradation system from fallout 3 etc. Most did not even comment on my proposed thoughts because of the stigma in the past...

But thats neither here nor there, this thread is not solely on that discussion, and honestly I dont even think it will be added to Fallout 4..

This thread is about people that feel that survival mode is a forced feature and therefore they attempt to bring it down to their level. This is not what it was designed for, and to argue that is foolish..

Its getting hot in here for sure. Some people really got under this hardcoe guys skin huh?

I have not seen any one ask for survival mode to be any easier. I have seen people disagree with you about degradation of weapons. Hardly warrents creating a new thread that is about name calling people who disagree with you.

Another snowflake that doesn't get the point.

Opinions....everybody has one...and has the right to share it in/on a "forum".

Yeah.

As far as the "complaints" go, it has almost all been about "Save on Sleep," and some about "No Fast Travel." Neither of which will make the game any harder than it already is. It will just make the game more annoying.

Heck, I think there has been more complaints about "Weapon & Armor Degradation" than the rest of the other Survivor Mode changes combined.

OP has superiority complex and he doesn't like other people has opinion to what he likes.

And from his post, OP simply isn't someone who read reason behind opinions. He simply declines it and cries that some people are disagreeing based on his own assumed ridiculous reason.

LOLZ

F:NV's hardcoe mode was easy, had the right idea but didn't push it through all the way. And so everytime I read one of those crybaby topics on how Bethesda should do this and do that before it's even released yet, I feel a hair on my head turning gray.

But yeah that is what kids do, judgemental before anything all the way. And it's not just kids, it's "older" people too. Age doesn't make you less childish, you can tell by browsing on this forum every week.

IMO maybe they are just afraid so they can't beat the game & they can't brag on facebook about it.

Maybe he did, maybe not. Maybe he has a good fudging point without any of your personal drama included.

Also because you have a job it doesn't mean you are all of the sudden bad at a videogame, your logic is non-existant.

In this topic he actually doesn't talk about degredation anyway and you still bring it up, who really is the bent out guy here?

Yeah take your offense and shove it up there.

The only argument is the CTD / Corruption to save files stuff but honestly you could just sleep an additional 1 hour ingame so you have two files PLUS the game still will let you play like before on another difficulty, it is not the end of the world, it is a "higher" difficulty setting.

You talk about how "real life " gets in the way but son you sound like you never played a game before 2005 so I doubt you are anything than a highschool student.

And you do? Or all of these /babyrage topic manufacturers since survival came out? ay lmao

Exactly. My question is that does the sleep-to-save always overwrite the previous save or always make a separate one? Because if it's the former, the risk of losing your character due to save corruption, quests getting glitched, etc. is really immense.

How is calling someone a casual gamer namecalling? I suppose calling someone a hardcoe gamer namecalling as well? Did you know that there are people out there that do not play games for challenges? Thats what a casual gamer is..

Calling someone a snowflake, now thats namecalling!

It's fine to have an opinion and share it, but a number of people seem to have a strange idea that survival mode is whatever they personally think it should be. It will be what is released, which, to my knowledge, nobody has seen yet. What's this nonsense about casual gamers? Seems very odd, " No you're not playing your game properly, play it how I tell you." Bit childish.

Considering the derogatory and demeaning nature of your comparisons for "casuals" you really should understand their point.

You act like one.

While those you call "Casual Gamer" aren't actually looking for no challenge. They simply disagree at some of the features with their reasons, without any means that the level of challenge should be taken down. Is that so hard to understand?

Corruption / CTD is a thing. But man you need to learn to make multiple saves if you play a Bethesda game. Everyone should know this by know. Even the most firm game in the world can have it cause some power outage / random data corruption.

Also knock on wood but I spend a ton of time on this game since release and actual stuff like this maybe happens every 100 hours of gametime. But yeah having over 30 mods with sketchy scripting before CK is out is definitely not the mainreason why people's game crash..

Honestly it's hilarious how many people say that this OP doesn't get it, yet it's them who don't get it.

OP has his heart where a hardcoe gamer's heart should be, which is fine, I too am like that. Games long ago were much different and saving every 3 sec is a luxury, not a must. He values the change in saves so it increases difficulty more than "the idea of ctd".

Also save abusing is a very common thing in F4 so it will nerf that aswell..

What is funny is that this forum is full of haters who hate every single thing Bethesda does, but yet when you speak out for yourself about something Bethesda did which you support, you get verbally lynched.

No he doesn't. If you are gonna make a DIFFICULTY setting that is beyond the hardest difficulty currently in the game and infact buffs the so already "existing hardest difficulty" by introducing other mechanics than just increasing hp on enemies.. it SHOULD be fun and you sHOULD completely think in a different approach just so to survive in this setting. Jesus christ it is called survival.

OP gets it, it's all of YOU who miss the point.

IF you judge it before you TRY, you already shoot down all the ideas Bethesda try to make. So then next month everyone can go back at nagging about "how bulletsponge is stupid in this game" and "how F4 survival is cakewalk".

Are you serious??? How is calling someone a casual gamer derogatory? My mother is a casual gamer, you think I'm dirsrespecting my own mother too??? Please get out of here with the foolishness...

Yeah, I'll tell my collage age son that. I will also have to have my memory purged of playing computer games when they only had two colors and going to the invite only release party for Fallout 2.