You do realize that Mortal Kombat, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, and many more games do exist... Right?

Anyways. I play both on my PC and on Xbox. My PC isn't really good though but I'm happy that it's good enough. My biggest love for the consoles are that I know they will work and I won't need to invest so much time, and money, to manage them like one would have to do with a PC. I still have to take care of it obviously and there's always a chance for a nasty bug that could break it but at least I know that any game for that console will run on that console just fine.

That and it's fun to play certain games with other people within de' same room.

Consoles just feel weird for me. I feel like i am 7 years old again, playing super mario and they have this casual player vibe to them.

There is also the issue of developers trying to reach those people to get more bucks so they design games to be console viable, which ruins quality. Consoles are suitable for action games/sport simulators/cars and fighters. I play only strategy games,RPGs and FPS sometimes(but not CoD). Which means that even if i wasn't against consoles in principle i still would have no reason to be in close proximity to them.

not always the case.. one of the major causes of the 360s RRoD (at least in the earlier models) was overheating from extensive use damaging certain components, or Capacitors blowing.. as long as you knew what you were doing, you could take a soldering iron and $10-$20 worth of parts and fix the damage. although, if the RRoD was caused by something else this really wouldn't help..

Consoles are perfectly suitable for strategy games and RPGs. The problem is that such games are often just not ported to consoles. I play Fallen Enchantress: Legendary Heros, which is a strategy based RPG. I use a controller mapped with Xpadder to play it and there is no reason such a game would not function fine on a new generation console. It's more of a marketing issue preventing more of these games from appearing on console than any inherent problem with the hardware.

True. You can also easily swap out the hard drive from an Xbox or PS3 without even opening the case, and if you are willing to open the case (which probably voids warranty) you can replace the CPU and probably other stuff as well. A console is nothing more than a PC with hardware and an operating system designed solely for gaming/entertainment.

/sigh

no reason for that, he is right there are plenty of great Strategy and RPGs on consoles.. Fire Emblem being one of the most popular turn based strategy games avaliable, and then we have classics like Valkyria Chronicles, or Final Fantasy Tactics

(/thinks about all the non-"kiddy" games I've played over the last 20 years. On console.)

Seriously, though.... even though I'm personally not into them, do the Souls games (and Bloodborne) strike you as casual, and for kids? Or .

...not even going to touch the good old "duh casuls r runing gam3ing!" part.

Yup! I have played Fallen Enchantress with Xpadder as well and it works just fine, a bit less clunky too.

I want to see a video of someone using a controller to navigate the menus in Paradox strategy games.

Perceived reasons or actual reasons?

Perceived:

• It's cheaper (this isn't always true depending on your configuration and game-buying habits...PC gaming is actually cheaper for me)
• Can game on a TV in the living room with a controller (obviously, this is just as easy to do with a PC these days)

Somewhat True:

• Less problematic (this used to be true, but becomes less and less true as time goes on...I almost never have technical issues with games to troubleshoot anymore)

Actual:

• Simpler/requires less technical knowledge to get going

Does anyone on a PC play Nintendo anymore?

I've also played FO3, FONV, Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind on an Xbox, so I guess those are just kiddie games too?

Yep, and the laptop I often play it on has roughly the same specs as an Xbox One, so the next gen hardware is powerful enough for it.

I've never played one, but I've played Daggerfall with a controller with no issues. Daggerfall has some interesting mouse movements required for combat and some fairly dense menus, but once I got the controller mapped properly, I could play just fine.

Looking at some photos of Paradox games UI, it doesn't really look like it would be an issue. When you map a PC game to a controller with Xpadder, your mouse movement becomes your left stick so you control your mouse pointer with the left stick and you click with the left and right triggers. That's how I map it anyway (others may do it differently to suit their tastes). But, you can get full mouse movement with the controller. There are 12 buttons plus a dpad with 8 positions and two anolog sticks on an Xbox controller, and you can double or triple the number of buttons through sets, giving you a very wide variety of options for configuring things.

I have a 3DS. Nintendo usually releases exclusives, so I'm not sure how PC is a substitute in any way unless you're one of those people who don't have a problem with refusing to pay developers for their months of hard work on awesome games you enjoyed.

There are no enough console exclusives I might be interested in to justify buying a console, contrary to the fact that there are lots of PC exclusive games I'm interested in. There are no flight simulations for consoles, tactical shooters like Arma or very complicated strategy games like the aforementioned Paradox productions. I also literally grew up with mouse and keyboard in my hands, I'm bad with typical gamepads as I barely used them. The only controller type I use a lot and with ease is a joystick. Then there's head tracking, multitasking, customization, and countless other non-gaming possibilities.

Which might still be too few for flight simulations, not even counting the precision of very little anolog sticks. The flight controller (not just joystick but also a separate throttle unit) I use now has 7 axes, 16 buttons, three 8-way hat-switches, mouse&scroll emulation, two-stage trigger and more, and everything can be set in 3 modes and also shifted, giving a theoretical possibility of 6 different assignments per button... and I still have to use keyboard command and mouse form time to time.

Yes, if you are doing flight simulation, you are going to want a controller that is way more advanced than an Xbox controller. Xpadder is compatible with pretty much any type of controller and I have often thought about getting one of those fancy flight controllers and mapping games like Morrowind and Oblivion to it. But I am so used to an Xbox controller that it would require me to relearn the controller scheme, so I have not gotten around to doing it yet.

That's my point. I couldn't stand not playing zelda or mario. And you have to have a console to play wind waker or smash. The portables are the same type of thing but in a different way.

I'm not even going to acknowledge anything other than the consoles and portables. I fully agree with you.

There are several games I love to play sometimes that are only available on PS2. Things like Drakon: The Ancient Gates, which have never been ported to PC. There are also a lot of old 1980s games that have been ported to PS2, like Defender, Battle Zone and stuff like that. I could probably find DosBox PC ports for those, but its a lot easier to just fire up the PS2.

Yes, any my buddy who is also an avid PC gamer has almost finished his collection of EVERY 8 bit liscenced nintendo games, (with the exception of the fabled 1990 Nintendo World Championships cartridges.)

Also Idd like to stress once again to everyone mad about my split screen comment.... I said split screen is not a THING...not DEAD.... just not a thing.... (example: denim jackets are not a THING...people still wear them, and its in fashion in some parts of the world)

Annoying double post.

I'm pretty sure I count as an enthusiast, got my first system at the age of 4. (My mom got me the Duck Hunt/Mario combo cartridge for me and my older brother as well as Zelda. ) and competently when I was 6 because I could actually read andunderstand directions by then haha.

Edit: Oh and I know you probably didnt mean anything by your post I just wanted to reply.

For me, it's a combination of ease of use, cost, and exclusive games. I have very little technical knowledge of PCs to try and configure one for gaming in the first place, let alone to replace bits and pieces of it that need upgrading over time. Also despite the assurances of enthusiasts that PCs are comparable in cost if not actually cheaper, I sincerely doubt that a capable gaming machine could be assembled for the $125 (US) that I purchased my 360 for. Finally, the Fable and Halo franchises are something that I care about playing (although Fable did later come to PC), so that was also an important factor.

I realize that there's trade-offs. Knowledgeable PC users can achieve spectacular graphics, and mods would be nice to have access to for TES games, but I don't regret going the console route overall.

So far the thread has only caused a few little snide remarks, so lets remember to keep any negative "PC vs. consoles" ideas out of here.
OP asked a legit question, and we don't need to ruin a topic with insults or hints of insults.
It's a hot topic, which is why the rules state as follows...

thanks

Im a consoleplayer simply because console gaming has been very good to me for nearly 3 decades, while my experience with pc gaming has been the exact opposite. The only PC game that I have been able to run and install without hours of wasted time and multiple headaches has been Black&White. Thats one game out of probably 30 I've tried to play throughoutthe years. Then we have console gaming which again I've played since the NES days starting in 1990 and an overwhelming majority of those games just play how they are supposed to.

I meant more technology in general rather than just games.
But yes, i started about the same age, with Commodore 64 Then moved on to NES, SNES and Playstations. Only really got into PC after PS2 era, and liked them so much i got a degree on programming them

And yeah, it was pretty difficult to play games on my C64 when i couldn't understand a lick of English But i also helped and motivated me to learn it.