Why is Cyrodiil no longer a jungle? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:50 pm

Maybe Cyrodiil's climate hasn't always been exactly the same for all eternity....

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:22 am

Left, not booted. There are still writer devs around from Morrowind and Daggerfall.

Even if they were inclined to, I suspect it's pretty hard to go against (the elder statesman of RPGs) Ken Rolston's 'Everything Has to Be Based Off the Real World' rule.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:42 am

Maybe Cyrodiil's climate hasn't always been exactly the same for all eternity....

Naw, that could NEVER happen. It's all the villainous Oblivion devs' fault.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:43 pm

Some of the old big players in TES lore were brought back for KotN and SI, though, which is why the lore in them doesn't totally svck.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:21 pm

Naw, that could NEVER happen. It's all the villainous Oblivion devs' fault.

They blew it all up! We had a good thing going with the big C being a jungle, but then they had to go and change it to a wretched horrible forrest!

(Throws control at screen) GOD**** YOU ALL TO HELL!

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:08 pm

In one of my characters, he was arrested for deforesting the jungle, and some Kynereth worshipers got mad at me. He hated trees.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:19 pm

Some of the old big players in TES lore were brought back for KotN and SI, though, which is why the lore in them doesn't totally svck.

Big players in-world or old devs?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:07 pm

Some of the old big players in TES lore were brought back for KotN and SI, though, which is why the lore in them doesn't totally svck.

Hopefully more will come/be brought back for TES V.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:06 pm

Big players in-world or old devs?

Uhh... I was thinking devs (MK for KotN; can't remember who was the one mainly involved with SI, was it Kurt Khulmann?), but I think "both" could work as an answer to that.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:29 pm

Uhh... I was thinking devs (MK for KotN; can't remember who was the one mainly involved with SI, was it Kurt Khulmann?), but I think "both" could work as an answer to that.

MK and Tedders both wrote quite a bit for Oblivion, and Kurt Kuhlmann and Gary Noonan were employed through Daggerfall and Morrowind, respectively. If anything, SI was the game that didn't involve any outside help, and SI managed to contradict established lore so a freaking god could have five seconds of vernacular, dull exposition. "...my realm expanded across Oblivion through the centuries..."

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:50 pm

MK and Tedders both wrote quite a bit for Oblivion, and Kurt Kuhlmann and Gary Noonan were employed through Daggerfall and Morrowind, respectively. If anything, SI was the game that didn't involve any outside help, and SI managed to contradict established lore so a freaking god could have five seconds of vernacular, dull exposition. "...my realm expanded across Oblivion through the centuries..."

Hopefully it was just insane and hubristic rambling of how great he was. Oh, and I hope this whole SI thing was just the same thing done before (Aden-Sul), with the two halves expecting different results. Now that, would be insane

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:04 pm

Perhaps things just changed, one way or another...

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:04 pm

Left, not booted.

*sob* Why did they leave?! :sad:

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:43 pm

MK and Tedders both wrote quite a bit for Oblivion, and Kurt Kuhlmann and Gary Noonan were employed through Daggerfall and Morrowind, respectively.

MK didn't write much for Oblivion (the base game) other than the Commentaries, or related-to-(or-was-supposed-to-be)-but-not-in-the-game stuff like the Nu-Mantia Intercept, last I checked. Not sure about Ted, but I don't think he had much of a role either. And I think it was either Kurt or Gary that was the main writer for SI; I'm trying to find where it was said again.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:36 pm

*sob* Why did they leave?! :sad:

What makes a man to wander What makes a man to roam
sorry

Perhaps things just changed, one way or another...

...yup

Jyg is literally to blame for any butchered lore

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:55 am

Two words for getting ES lore back on track: Federal Bailout

I kidd, lol!

But it was dissapointing to see Oblivion as Generic Forest-ville. I just imagined the game wasn't an ES game and I had a good time.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:56 pm

I favor an extreme climate change model that begins with the freezing of Atmora, continues with further cooling that drives humans toward the equator, breaking the backs of elvish empires, and ends with Cyrodil a temperate land. (There are yet tropical areas further south; I imagine the actual equator runs between the southernmost reaches of Tamriel, or perhaps through the southernmost tip of Elswyr, and Pydonea.)

Maybe the hole made by Magnus is gradually shrinking, until one day it will close? Perhaps all the Mundus is doomed to die an icy death?

Note that it wasn't the malevolent developers of Oblivion that introduced a temperate Cyrodil. That honor belongs to the writer of A Dance in Fire.

How do you explain the desert in Hammerfell and the tropics in Morrowind then?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:11 pm

I'm positive he wasn't serious, its all just for kicks at this point. That's how most threads around here go.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:14 pm

*sob* Why did they leave?! :sad:

The promise to free six and booze wasn't quite as true as they thought it would be. Poor Todd, he stayed on and look what he's got now - a stalker on the loose!

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:00 pm

The promise to free six and booze wasn't quite as true as they thought it would be. Poor Todd, he stayed on and look what he's got now - a stalker on the loose!

:lmao: * 10

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:01 pm

I could swear that yet in Arena Cyrodiil was jungle(-ish) and it's people were different colored... More bronze. Even description in Arena concerning Cyrodiil said that it's jungle, if my memeory serves me well.

Tiber Septim had done his stuff by that time... Has Mankar Camoran eaten wrong kinds of mushrooms, Cairn Bolete caps can do that with proper additional ingredients :whistle:

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:32 pm

I could swear that yet in Arena Cyrodiil was jungle(-ish) and it's people were different colored... More bronze. Even description in Arena concerning Cyrodiil said that it's jungle, if my memeory serves me well.

Tiber Septim had done his stuff by that time... Has Mankar Camoran eaten wrong kinds of mushrooms, Cairn Bolete caps can do that with proper additional ingredients :whistle:

If only we can get a person with screenies.
Also the base pc imperial in oblivion look pretty tan.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:07 pm

This is my theory on why it does not appear to be a jungle in Oblivion: The Champion of Cyrodiil was trippin balls on moon sugar for the entire trip.

Makes sense, doesn't it? If Beth ever wants to revisit Cyrodill in the future, they can just say that the environment never changed, but the Champion was just hallucinating.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:38 pm

This is my theory on why it does not appear to be a jungle in Oblivion: The Champion of Cyrodiil was trippin balls on moon sugar for the entire trip.

Makes sense, doesn't it? If Beth ever wants to revisit Cyrodill in the future, they can just say that the environment never changed, but the Champion was just hallucinating.

Or there can be another Dragon Break and this crap-Cyrodiil can get shunted off into a different timeline, effectively sweeping it under the carpet and out of sight...

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:01 am

I could swear that yet in Arena Cyrodiil was jungle(-ish) and it's people were different colored... More bronze. Even description in Arena concerning Cyrodiil said that it's jungle, if my memeory serves me well.

Wasn't 90% of Arena retconned though? The location of Ebonheart? The settlements on Vvardenfell not being present in Morrowind? Khajiit being human, and Argonians looking like humans with scales?