I wonder when Azura changed the Dunmer's look, or the Tribunal depending, why Azura herself appears as they do, ashen grey skin with red eyes. If Azura did it, then it can be seen as a direct reminder to them of what she did, if every day you look into your reflection, you see a semblence of herself. If the Tribunal did it and she followed suit, perhaps she did this to remind those she contacts that she is still a part of them and they she. Speculation of course, but I wondered about her visage baring the likeness of the supposed cursing.

Sheogorath when he is not being downright infuriating, is as Camoran said, dangerously clever.

These things are always a bit speculative when it comes to fantasy. I was wondering the same issue of the "cursing" (transformation from Corellon's magic as guided through the Protector Priests and High Mages - Fourth Crown War :CA 10,000 DR) when it was applied to the Drow themselves, who have a likewise lore. Yet, of those that they pray to, they bear their likeness (Lolth, Eilistraaee) and yet, not, (Meilikki, Vhaeraun, Ghaunadar.

I like Azura, but I think that since it is shown she can wield some degree of power, the hero always wonders, "Hey, if you can clear the ding, dang sky, what did you need me for?"

My belief is that she didn't alter the Dunmer, and it was the Tribunal's tampering with the Heart that caused it. After all, look what the Heart was able to do to the entire Dwemer race.

Like I said, depending for sure, on which history to believe. Me, I honestly haven't decided, as I am more intrigued as to why she looks the way she does. Chimer are described as one way, yet, Azura's look is suredly as the Dunmer are now.

Also, with the Dwemer. I also don't know what to believe, regardless of the books, and the last living Dwarf. Even he is unsure, given his dialogue. If I go solely on forensic evidence, they're gone, burned to a cinder, and their spirits, but a few, haunt the old places. I am pretty sure those ashpiles all over Mournhold subterranean ruins aren't from their pipes. With regard to their souls, again, depends on what reference to believe.

That's a good point. Aside from this transformation, I don't recall any other large-scale changes wrought by Daedric Princes. If they could really mess around with Nirn like that, you'd think they'd do it more often.

And it makes sense. The Tribunal screw up and blame Azura. Easy punching bag, she's already pissed that they used the Heart, easy to extend this to her cursing the Chimer (and makes the Chimer feel less inclined to follow Azura and more inclined to follow the Tribunal).

Besides, you'd think the Tribunal would have enough power to reverse the change, right? And yet they don't. It'd be a feather in their cap if they could show the other Chimer they were more powerful than a Daedric Prince (assuming Azura had caused the change to Dunmer).

The orsimer would like a word with you, along with the khajiit.


Sotha Sil gave a speech on why it's awesome to go from a golden skin altmer look alike race to an ashen, red eyed race of elves before they could reverse it.

What happened to the khajiit

It cant be just fun, Although The Princes haven been around before the dawn, They still required servants for there needs, The Lesser Deadra, They serve and worship them, Nirn comes into play, Its a new ball game, Now there influence of what they stand for can spread even more than just there planes, Now into the hearts and minds of there new follwers on nirn.

Azura bound their form to the lunar lattice during the merithic era to stabilize their form when things were a little....screwy when it came to what people looked like. This is why khajiit have a LOT of different sub-species.

They're all born (as I assume) like kittens, but end up growing into their pre-determined moon form when they were born. So...in ways it ends up being a kitten grows up to a cat-humans, a house cat that can cast spells, or a giant battle cat with arms the size of altmer (or something) and so on.

The lesser daedra have no choice. They're pretty much a part of the prince they serve. They use these guys simply for protection, or thier own personal agenda (I.e. destorying Nirn). Mehrunes Dagon, for exampe, has no choice but to destroy Nirn, because he was cursed to do so.

And, not every prince even has daedra. Hircine, for example, has none. He uses werewolves for sport, and uses them if he ever wants to get to Nirn. Being outside his realm, he would have a great hunt. Hircine is a sportman and would enjoy hunting mortals in Nirn while giving them a chance (losing lots of power outside his realm).

What the daedra do may not make sense, but that's because they're gods. They don't always make sense to mortals.

Actually, Hircine has two known daedra. His drivers, which are described as looking like really massive albino nords, with long, sinewy arms, and bare to the waste and covered in tattoos. And then there's the Herne

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Sources? I've looked forever and found nothing. I guess there's only one or two references of each?

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But still nothing about drivers...

The Drivers are probably Nordic werebears, or at least thats how I read it. They feature briefly in the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/infernal-city-lore-notes#Oblivion.

Hmm... I do get the same feel you have. I think my point still actually stands, werecreatures are Hircine's sort of unofficial deadra, and the herne seem to be prey in his realm. Why would his only daedra be so weak, otherwise?

Then again, Battlespire isn't exactly famous for being the most lore filled TES game in the world, eh?

The Dremora serve Mehrunes Dagon, But they are not bound to him, They havent allways fought for his cause, They signed up to fight for him for a while (Centurys, Who knows), Perhaps applys to the other more Sentient Deadra as well, The Golden saints another example, Cant remember all the dialogue from The Shivering Isles, But im sure there is a part where Sheogorath gave the Golden Saints and Mazken there fonts so they could draw themselves into his realm. All im saying is Gods need followers, Mortal or Immortal, For whatever purpose, Not for them to exist but to get the worship that they need to fill there gigantic ego's

That's not need, that's want. And I agree.

I took those into account actually, and I don't think either of them were likely as large in scale, in population or in the geographical area affected. Every Chimer in Resdayn was presumably altered.

Every elf in Elsywer became a kitty..then again, things became a plant, to a cheesecake, to a fire pit, and so on back then will Yffre came along.

I never heard that she made every Bosmer there a Khajiit, just some of them. In fact, we don't know a lot of details of what happened. And actually, PGE 3E actually http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-third-edition-sugar-and-blood-cats-southa few other theories as to their origin.

But it's curious, that such power has never been demonstrated by the Daedric Princes since the time of myth, and certainly not in a useful manner. And it's not like any of the Four Corners pulled it off on the Dunmer either. Now I'm not saying that Azura had nothing to do with the Khajiit's creation, I'm just saying that I don't think she's powerful enough to alter every member of a mortal race on a province of Tamriel, especially when said transformation was tied in to something as proven and tied to Nirn as the Heart of Lorkhan.

Well..............I HATE AZURA!