Why did Dagon attack Kvatch ?

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:44 pm

But Dagon isn't fighting total war. His strategy seems to be guerrilla warfare on a massive scale.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:35 pm

I have two theories there:

1 - It's the seat of power for House Redoran. With Indoril weakened, Redoran's honorable Knights would prove the greatest challenge to Dagon's invasion of Morrowind. It's also one of the strongest Temple worshiping towns of Vvardenfell with the obvious exception of Vivec city itself, and the Ghostgate (which was also attacked). Taking out Ald'Ruhn not only weakens the morale of Morrowind by showing their gods no longer protect them, but it removes a large chunk of the elite warrior class of the Island.

2 - Ald'Ruhn, like Kvatch, is situated more or less right in the middle of several other towns. Demolishing it removes important trade routes and travel paths. Taking out these centralized cities first is an important tactic in total war because it forces the enemy to scatter and diminishes their resources and ability to travel and trade efficiently.


I'm not sure about the trade routes per se - but I wonder if Red Mountani has something in common with Dagon's own realm?

Also Redoran are almost at war with Hlaalu ... is it better for Dagon to have two Great Houses at loggerheads or Hlaalu triumphant and building closer ties to Cyrodiil? I'm not really convinced that this is political.

If you look back at that story about the Jumping Demon King and the Greedy man then what Dagon is really trying to do is destroy certain 'bits' of Tamriel/Nirn and/or return them to wherever they came from - so I suspect that his 'targets' were those bits or connected to them. But in what way they have to be destroyed I'm not sure. Might as well ask what that story really means.

For example could it be that the bits referred to are actually to do with Lorkhan? And that Dagon is trying to reassemble him?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:30 pm

He managed to wreck the church tower and effectively bring about a damaged look to the entire city. But naturally he couldnt bash down the church door's and finish the job.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:44 pm

I have two theories there:

I have a third. Dagon looked down at Nirn from Oblivion, picked up his daedric darts, and threw them vaguely in the direction of Tamriel.

My theory explains why there are so many gates smack-dab in the middle of nothing at all.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:02 pm

I am even more surprise that the town guards cannot handle Stunted Scamps and Clannfear Runts.

I have a third. Dagon looked down at Nirn from Oblivion, picked up his daedric darts, and threw them vaguely in the direction of Tamriel.

THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:15 pm

Maybe Dagon being a god just knows
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:11 pm

He managed to wreck the church tower and effectively bring about a damaged look to the entire city. But naturally he couldnt bash down the church door's and finish the job.


Didn't someone say that the deadra could not walk on Holy ground or something like that? (though, there are deadra in the churche's basemant...)
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:33 pm

Didn't someone say that the deadra could not walk on Holy ground or something like that? (though, there are deadra in the churche's basemant...)

Obviously, daedra can walk under holy ground, but not on it.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:48 pm

He once tried to attack Kvatch, but was beaten back. Dagon's invasion of Kvatch was not because of any potential enemies there, it was revenge.

Why would he attack a city that once defeated him? Martin has nothing to do with it. He was just angry. Why was he angry? Because he's fυcking Mehrunes Dagon. You can't expect much tactical thought to come from the god of destruction, especially if he's having a bad day.

And why would Daedra not be able to walk on holy ground? They're extra-dimensional beings, not demons. For the record, Dagon himself never physically came through the Kvatch Gate and tore up the city - the only mentions of the events of the siege make it clear that it was a siege engine, and probably several Daedra, that did the damage.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:02 pm

And why would Daedra not be able to walk on holy ground? They're extra-dimensional beings, not demons.


1.i said i THOUGHT someone had said it.

2. the doors to the church were not locked,og to sturdy to break down. when you get to the camp outside the city,they say it was attacked last night,giving the deadra plenty of time to break the doors and kill the survivors
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:22 pm

Well, then, how do you know the doors weren't too sturdy to break down? Can you please show me the in-game meter of door sturdiness letting you know just how sturdy each of the different doors are? I can't believe I've played so much without noticing such an important user interface element! :rolleyes:
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:55 pm

What about the http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/aldudagga.shtml I thought it had already been said that he was simply destroying the parts he had stolen from previous Kalpas; as the Leaper Devil King...

Or am I completely of the mark here?

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:22 pm

Well, then, how do you know the doors weren't too sturdy to break down? Can you please show me the in-game meter of door sturdiness letting you know just how sturdy each of the different doors are? I can't believe I've played so much without noticing such an important user interface element! :rolleyes:


they managed to break down most of the buildings,and the church tower.that good enough for ya?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:42 pm

He once tried to attack Kvatch, but was beaten back. Dagon's invasion of Kvatch was not because of any potential enemies there, it was revenge.

Why would he attack a city that once defeated him? Martin has nothing to do with it. He was just angry. Why was he angry? Because he's fυcking Mehrunes Dagon. You can't expect much tactical thought to come from the god of destruction, especially if he's having a bad day.

And why would Daedra not be able to walk on holy ground? They're extra-dimensional beings, not demons. For the record, Dagon himself never physically came through the Kvatch Gate and tore up the city - the only mentions of the events of the siege make it clear that it was a siege engine, and probably several Daedra, that did the damage.


Is it not possible for Dagon to have more than one reason to attack a city? What about revenge and____________ (insert theory/wild guess here)?

And honestly, as long as you take out certain theological trappings, then "demon" works as well as any word (okay, better than many words), in my opinion. :shrug: extra-dimensional, time-traveling demons - just like most everything else in this universe, apparently.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:54 pm

:shrug: Power?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:25 pm

I have two theories there:

1 - It's the seat of power for House Redoran. With Indoril weakened, Redoran's honorable Knights would prove the greatest challenge to Dagon's invasion of Morrowind. It's also one of the strongest Temple worshiping towns of Vvardenfell with the obvious exception of Vivec city itself, and the Ghostgate (which was also attacked). Taking out Ald'Ruhn not only weakens the morale of Morrowind by showing their gods no longer protect them, but it removes a large chunk of the elite warrior class of the Island.

2 - Ald'Ruhn, like Kvatch, is situated more or less right in the middle of several other towns. Demolishing it removes important trade routes and travel paths. Taking out these centralized cities first is an important tactic in total war because it forces the enemy to scatter and diminishes their resources and ability to travel and trade efficiently.

Wrong.

3 - HOLY CRAP THEY RESURRECTIFIED THE CRAB
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:06 am

Yeah, I go with throwing daedric darts as well. It fits to Mehrunes sphere of random destruction.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:42 pm

Daedra don't give a damn about trade routes, its war between mortal and immortal. The immortal won't lose unless he backs down.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 12:19 am

War between mortal and immortal? As said, Id rather describe it as Mehrunes Dagon simply fulfilling his nature. Hes a spirit, he cant deny his nature.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:00 pm

Where's the conflict in what I said?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:00 am

Where's the conflict in what I said?


You make it appear as theres a general state of war between Mundus and Oblivion. That is not correct.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:46 am

I don't make anything appear.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:48 pm

1.) He did it for the lulz

2.) He tracked down Martin on his own

3.) Revenge for old school lore

4.) He did it for the lulz

Also the gate placement is insane, there is no strat to it. In the Bruma Spies quest it is hinted they can control where new gates are opened, so what's with all the random wilderness gates? Is it only semi-controlled or what? Is Dagon just the random insanity sort?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:36 pm

1.) He did it for the lulz

2.) He tracked down Martin on his own

3.) Revenge for old school lore

4.) He did it for the lulz

Also the gate placement is insane, there is no strat to it. In the Bruma Spies quest it is hinted they can control where new gates are opened, so what's with all the random wilderness gates? Is it only semi-controlled or what? Is Dagon just the random insanity sort?

Dagon got mad one day and smashed his fist onto his dart table. This sent his magick darts of gate opening flying, causing them to land in the most random places.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:07 pm

In the Bruma Spies quest it is hinted they can control where new gates are opened, so what's with all the random wilderness gates?

That's what happens when they don't bother controlling it. After all, they aim to destroy the wilderness as well.
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