Well i didnt hate Oblivion, feel like it was incomplete like this one when it first released. After mods came out that improve realism and gameplay, things started to make things so special

Not that many players actually hate it. If sold extremely well, received very high ratings and good reviews almost universally, and is still being played a fair bit - yes, even now!

That said, there are some people who will hate just about anything (or anyone), given an internet connection and the belief that everything they do or say online is "anonymous". Oblivion is hardly the first, nor the last, to "suffer" from this predictable, childish behaviour.

And, aside from all that, there are also some legitimate criticisms that can be made, no matter how impressve the game is/was. Many of these, some will interpret (disingenuously or otherwise, and indeed, right or wrong) as "hatred". So it goes...

Some of what is "wrong" (though, yes, if could be said to be subjective in some cases) with Oblivion can be seen by overviewing - or in fact, playing - such games as Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas and Skyrim. The folks at Bethesda did not necessarily get everything right, with Oblivion, and perhaps they have learned a number of things since then.

The most damning criticism of Oblivion though, I think, would have to be that it lacks "soul", and/or "depth". When compared to Morrowind, as it is often claimed. In certain ways, the bar was set very high with TES3, and unfortunately - according to some players - Beth missed the mark (in that way) with TES4.

You could look at some of the more popular mods of all time (er... except the obvious kind!) and get some idea of other issues gamers have had with Oblivion. As it so happens, if you play using a PC, issues will sooner or later be sorted out.

I love Oblivion. Love it. Have two characters at the moment. They are two in about 12 full plays. It's an RPG. So I roleplay. And it's wondrous. Yeah, I have some issues with the game.... but the role-playing possibilities are endless.....

Not everyone hates Oblivion.

I "love" it. Even more than Morrowind. I'm not far enough into Skyrim to tell whether I like that better than Oblivion or not.

But my take on those that don't like Oblivion is that they were expecting something that was more Morrowind like. For example, fantasy landscapes, more emphasis on Player Character vs Play skill, missing spears, etc. And since it wasn't similar to Morrowind "hatred" follows.

Every new game in a series takes things out that are incompatible with something else in the new one, and adds something new in its place. That means there's always an argument between those who like the taken-out feature, and the those who like the new one, plus hate from those who want both. And there's always bugs, features that fall short of the hype, and hoped-for impossibilities that don't happen.

But at least people care enough to have a strong opinion. Most games just get ignored.

I don't know why everyone hates the graphics. I think it's beautiful. I remember swimming one night, looking up, and seeing those moons/planets. Incredible. That's when I knew I was dealing with something really special.

A world doesn't have to have giant mushrooms or weird crap to be beautiful. I hate people who say it's bland. It's more realistic. If people can't appreciate the beauty in a regular, run-of-the-mill forest, I pity them.

I had two gripes with Oblivion: menus and leveled items.

The menu. I think Oblivion's menu system is the worst I menu system I have ever seen in a game. Words cannot express how deeply and thoroughly I loathe tabs...and tabs within tabs. Navigating t tabs nearly gives me carpel tunnel syndrome at times. I have actually stopped playing more than once because I couldn't put up with tabs a minute longer. On top of that, I though the art design of the menus (and HUD) was atrocious, butt-ugly. It was designed for television sets, designed to be viewed from a couch across a room. Close up on a computer monitor it looked grotesque.

Leveled items. Virtually every piece of gear in Oblivion was tied to the player's level. There was virtually no deviation from this, anywhere. I hated that I could not even glimpse a piece or Ebony or Glass armor or weapon anywhere in the game world until I was the proper level. And then, when I had reached the proper level, suddenly it was everywhere. There was very little hand-placed loot to be found anywhere, it was almost all added via leveled lists. For me, that destroyed much of the excitement I felt in exploring. I love to find interesting, unique loot in dungeons. That aspect of the series was almost entirely stripped away in Oblivion.

The rest of the game, I thought, was fine. Enemy leveling and scaling didn't bother me. And the more realistic landscape was an improvement, I felt, over Morrowind's cartoony art style and color-coded, World of Warcraft-style "zones." The different regions in Oblivion were blended together with more taste and sophistication than in any of the previous games. Oblivion's art style, I felt, was more advlt.

Radiant AI, Speed Tree, physics, these new things made Cyrodiil feel more alive and breathing to me than Morrowind's much more static environments. I thought the voice acting was superb (they just needed to hire more actors). I absolutely adored Oblivion's music. And while I have my misgivings about Oblivion's main quest I felt it was more dramatic than Morrowind's. There were two moments in particular when Oblivion's MQ rose far above Morrowind's in drama and spectacle. The first was when the Blades lined up in front of Martin at Cloud Ruler Temple and saluted him. The second was when we all marched out to war while the citizens of Bruma cheered us on.

Neither was I bothered that some skills were cut. I always thought it was absurd that, in Morrowind, a character could be a supreme master of the art of the longsword but be unable to hit the broadside of a barn if he picked up a shortsword. Personally I wasn't particularly sad to see levitation cut either, as I thought it was kind of cheesy, even before Oblivion came out (and besides it was necessary once cities were put into their own world spaces (thank you, XBox)). The only skill I was sorry to see go was the unarmored skill.

Overall, I felt that Oblivion was a fantastic game. I still play it and I expect to continue playing it for many years to come. It is flawed. And it is a masterpiece.

Here's my take on this.

Oblivion had better graphics, but inferior gameplay compared to the previous Elder Scrolls game, Morrowind.

Less spells, less factions, less items, less complexity, less dialog, horrible inventory that only showed up a few items per page, essential NPCs, lamer vampirism with no clans, zero price and weight items. It felt far more restricted than Morrowind. In Morrowind you could literally do whatever you wanted, minus join the Sixth House and Dagoth Ur (although a mod allowed you to).

The storyline was not as interesting as Morrowind's, Tribunal's or Bloodmoon's storylines.

The landscape was a bit bland compared to the alien / high fantasy Morrowind. I guess Shivering Isles saved it though with its Morrowindish landscape.

I dont see that many ppl hating O, but many did get upset by the stupid way that foes leveled w/ u. this was a valid criticism, which I believe some mods/overhauls (OOO, Francesco...?) managed to improve.

Also, the story was kinda uninspiring. there were not many quests with different options to complete, so ppl could get bored somewhat quickly.

The silly criticism regarding the +5/+5/+5 difficulty is just that, silly. A power-gamer issue. Granted, try a level 40 pure Mage casting those limited damage spells without spamming weakness to + invisibility and u will see how non-chalant combat becomes, but even these were modded in a way or other.

I love Oblivion.

I consider it a mediocre game (and that's probably giving it more credit than it deserves), but it's the best mod-friendly role-playing sandbox ever created.

It's an absolute gem on PC, when modded to the player's needs, and it's a more-than-adequate role-play environment even in its vanilla state, as attested to by several long-time posters on this forum, who play on console.

As a game, it has serious weak points, as mentioned in previous posts, like the UI, the leveled items, the hand-holding quest pointer, and the inadequate and repetitive dialogs. Most of the quest lines are far too linear, with too few player choices allowed, which leads to a sense of "moral ambiguity" about the whole thing.

TES games require imagination, to get the best out of them.

I actually love the game, I just love Fallout a lot more. :fallout:

Honeslty I think its the band wagon mentality. This is what happens when large groups of people get together. Im not saying the game was perfect but to pick out one or three flaws then go as far as saying the game blows because of it seems a little overboard. I dont know what Oblivion game these people were playing but mine played pretty smooth overall. It honestly wasnt that much of a game changer from Morrowind except the bland landscape, better graphics, and havoc engine. For a 2006 game it still holds up pretty good to this day. To think its the last Beth TES game we will ever see that doesnt require an internet connection or require steam, the way tes games should be.

I loved Oblivion. Not as much as Morrowind mind you but i will never tire of Oblivion, just like i have never tired of Morrowind. Plus i don't play them with any mods at all. getting a bit bored of Skyrim though.

Why I hated Oblivion? It wasn't Morrowind 2.0. Todd promised us Morrowind 2.0 literally. He hyped Oblivion up so much, and the game didn't deliver on what Todd said. I quit playing Oblivion. A month later I tried it again, but this time, as a game by it's self, and I ended up loving Oblivion.

Once you get the foul bile that Todd spat out, and Oblivion is an awsome game. That is why I tried not to get caught up in the Skyrim hype, so I ignored mostly what Todd said, and I really enjoy Skyrim, while it works for me. When the bugs kick in, the game is not so fun.

How are the bugs compared to week one Fallout New Vegas?

i loved oblivion but not all of it was great

Bad stuff:

• Class system was meh, skyrim class system is amazing as well as the perks
  
• Oblivion gates: fun at first but got boring, the planes of oblivion should have been expanded upon...great idea, ok/fair in reality
  
• not enough diversity in weapons and armor

I hated Oblivion because it was not Morrowind. Never mind that I had never played Morrowind before, that is still the only reason one needs to hate any game right?

Sorry, I am being facetious. I love Oblivion. Still playing and modding it after several years, and I do not see that ending any time soon. It even got me to try out Morrowind. Which was meh, and I went back to dear old Oblivion after a few weeks.

I played Morrowind forever, but when Oblivion came out I played it for a while and it was so different I went back to Morrowind and continued exploring that super large world. After a while, I tried Oblivion again and stuck with it. I like the game and still play it. It’s not Morrowind, but it has its own interesting attractions. The main quest svcks and my numerous characters generally only go far enough to open the Oblivion gates. After thousands of hours I’ve never finished the main quest once. There have been a lot of games I’ve hated, but Oblivion isn’t one. I really don’t know how anyone could really hate the game. Sure, if Morrowind’s graphics were updated to Oblivion standards, I would jump back there in a second, but that isn’t going to happen.

When Fallout 3 came out, I went there for a year or so. Then I got into making my own mods, and the best place for that is Oblivion, so I went back there. Been there since June ’11 with some bouncing back and forth to FO3 while I awaited Skyrim’s arrival. But after watching the Skyrim forums, that ain’t going to happen any time soon. I think I’ll stick with my mods in Oblivion, and if I want to do a little heavy duty shoot ’em up, I’ll load up FO3.

Still don’t understand this hate Oblivion thing. Maybe if you’re a click, click, bang, bang shooter, you might find it big time slow. Then just move on to something else to get your adrenalin rush and leave the role players in Oblivion.

Lol I don't know why they hated oblivion, to me, Oblivion had almost near to everything that morrowind had, except for the obvious stuff like terrain and stuff, but Skyrim just feels like it's lacking something big time... I can't put my finger on it, it just feels way more smaller than Morrowind or OBlivion.

Notice that the "hating Oblivion" seems to usually or always go back to a comparison with Morrowind.

My guess is that those who started with Oblivion, and either never played Morrowind or played Morrowind after Oblivion, tend to have no problem with Oblivion.

Both are great games. But Oblivion is not Morrowind II, and Skyrim is not Oblivion II. Nor should they be, in my opinion. Morrowind had some great things that are missing in Oblivion, but Oblivion added and fixed a great deal. Same with Skyrim. And Fallout 3 for that matter.

Again, nothing but "love" for Oblivion here. My favorite game so far - though Fallout 3 and Morrowind are great too. Skyrim *might* edge out Oblivion, I haven't played it enough yet to be able to tell, but it looks very promising.



Fallout New Vegas appears to have been loaded with bugs on release. But New Vegas was not a Bethesda made game, like Oblivion, Morrowind, Fallout 3 or Skyrim. I just started Skyrim, and have had very few or no problems. Same with Oblivion when it came out - some problems but in general it was stable.

Big complaints were level scaling, poor story, bad voice acting and bad art.

Just remember, the worst elder scrolls game is still better than almost all other games.

I loved it. No flaws really.

Au contraire mon ami, I loved it. It's still one of my most favourite video games to this date. I even prefer it over Skyrim because they just HAD to remove my favourite skills over all: Athletism, Acrobatics and Hand to Hand. T___T

Because it wasn't Morrowind.

Nah, seriously? i never hated Oblivion, in fact i liked it a lot. I just loved Morrowind a lot more. Probably because it was the first Elder Scrolls i played.

I also allowed my self to get hyped up massively for Oblivion and in turn i expected a lot more which is obviously my own fault. That said, Oblivion didn't improve much for me... yes combat was better and of course the graphics... but that is not enough for me. The little things like removing a few weapon types(crossbows,spears) annoyed me mainly because those two weapon types were actually among my favourite.

Not sure where you're getting the idea we all hate Oblivion. I suppose if you're going to defend Skyrim against reasonable issues that some have with it in relation to other ES games, then it makes sense to go to those game forums and try to rile people up.

On the slightest of chances that somebody as literate as yourself simply didn't check these forums, I suggest you do so. And while you're at it, look at TES Nexus for the 20,000+ Oblivion mods. Which clearly demonstrate how many people hate it.