Have no idea either, part from the scaling. But they did have an idea for that so I don′t blame the devs.

All in all I loved the game from the start in Feb 2007. Have racked up 1570+ hrs on my character and he recently went up to spend the winter in Bruma again. So I do not share the hatred for this game


Exactly why I prefer Oblivon and you just proved what I have said many times before. The one in a series you play first is more often than you think the one you like the best

I agree with Skyrim. It is an awesome game but something about it just feels...off, somehow. I loved Morrowind and i still love it more than Oblivion but when i began playing Oblivion i didn't hate it, i was all set to hate it simply because it wasn't Morrowind but i didn't. I am not saying i hate Skyrim there is just something i am not enjoying compared with both Morrowind and Oblivion. I don't know if it just the leveling system and menu that i don't approve of the changes or the simplifying of these systems or the fact that every quest you go on seems to build up to some sort of 'boss' fight with a majorly powerful charcter. The interruption from the dragons just strikes me as being more suitable in a hack and slash game rather then rpg.

I didn't like Oblivion. I never did. I struggled to finish the main quest + the 5 (4 1/2) factions. I came back to it to try out some mods like OOO but they did nothing for me. Shivering Isles (which I only recently played) was a much better game despite retaining a lot of Oblivion's idiocy. I know a lot of people love Oblivion modded and vanilla, but for my money I was ready to abandon Bethesda's ship until Fallout 3 and now Skyrim came along to prove the Morrowind formula right (setting, not gameplay...TES has never had great gameplay). Say what you want, Skyrim to me just proves what a boring and uninspired game Oblivion was. And that's without going into all the hand-holding nonsense and level scaling nightmares (and one voice actor for every elf in the game) a lot of which are still present in Skyrim (it just makes up for it with a vastly more interesting setting and adherence to the lore).

I'm one of those kinds of players that will overlook things like a broken levelling system, shoddy combat, or lack of balance if I'm given a world and story that's interesting and worth exploring. Other than a few choice moments (Dark Brotherhood), Oblivion was horrible at that.

EDIT: Oh and lest I seem unfair, I dislike Daggerfall for a lot of the same reasons I dislike Oblivion. I can see how they tried to emulate some of Daggerfall with the game. Skyrim's radient story quests are the right way to combine the handcrafted world of Morrowind with the infinite possibilities of Daggerfall without the generic boringness of Oblivion.

This is the small fragment of your post I can agree with.

I honestly have the same level of desire to play Morrowind that I do for Fallout 1 and 2...not that much. :shrug:

This statement was FALSE, I didn't hate Oblivion. :nono:

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Having been given the invitation, I will indeed "say what I want"! And that is, Skyrim has, for the most part, only shown me how good Oblivion and Morrowind really are. It is largely a grotesque parody of an Elder Scrolls roleplaying game. That said, I will persevere, and add mods of substance once they are available - and make some of my own, as well. I believe it can be saved, as Oblivion has been. Morrowind did not need saving, in my opinion, but it has been vastly improved with mods, nonetheless.



And here again, I must strongly disagree. Oblivion, for all its flaws, outmatches Skyrim in (almost) all but graphics. Morrowind is in another league altogether, from the very start.

No Oblivion hatred here. Nope. Not a bit. :twirl:

Mods.

i adore Oblivion

Of course my avatar despised Oblivion. Why else would he so devotedly close down all those Gates (fifty-two before escorting Martin to the Imperial Palace), do his best to eradicate the Mythic Dawn, and willingly assist the Emperor in thwarting Mehrunes Dajon? The very idea that he would prefer daedric domination over the ever-glorious Tamriellic Empire is utterly preposterous.

-Decrepit-

I hate the HUD, the over-large UI and the mindless level-scaling, whilst the comparative lack of factions, the boring voice-acting and the endless Oblivion destroying the scenery are also very tedious. Once a lot of it is modded to the way I want it, it's an excellent game. It's not Morrowind or Baldur's Gate though and it's certainly not Planescape: Torment.

Morrowind was my first game,after that i played oblivion and it was a let down for me,but seeing now how much skyrim is being dumbed down and how guild quest svck i appreciate oblivion much more than before.

this. a million times.

i'm a member of the small faction of tes fans who actually consider oblivion the best of the series.

Not everyone hates the game it has a big fan base there is only a vocal minority that doesn't like it. Many people do love it

I loved Daggerfall when it came out. Loved it alot. Waited for Morrowind to come out and was seriously disappointed by the weird looking alien looking enviroments. When Oblivion was about to be released I was afraid that they would go down the strange looking alien enviroments that I feel plauged MW but was later mezzed by the beautiful very fantasy looking landscapes and cities. I liked Oblivion alot. I felt it epitomized what a rpging fantasy game was supposed to be. Though I admit that all the Oblivion gates started becoming annoying after a while.

I think some people didn't like how cartoony it was. Really, the guards were more goofy than anything, as were orcs and many other things.

Personally I liked this. Playing as a cunning, skilled thief up against silly guards was a lot of fun for me.

Also yeah, there was a lot of hype and the game perhaps didn't live up to it.

People QQ too much. Problem with forums and threads that encourage people to whine about stuff, I guess. I just picked up Oblivion to get a taste of TES before I buy Skyrim. I love it. And my expectations were set by much newer games, it's still a pretty solid piece.

Someone mentioned it before, but overhyping is one of the main causes. The game also suffered reduction in skills and custumization going in after morrowind (just like morrowind did after daggerfall). The introduction of hand holding (compass, quest markers). Fast travel, while not the worst feature also (for me) reduces the stimulation to explore the world. Speaking of the world, while it certainly was beatifull it was repetitive and lifeless, generic fantasy world. If they'd stuck out with the initial jungles of cyrodiil it might have been much much better, but unfortunately they decided since LotR was quite popular at the time, they should copy that. The terrible, yet over-hyped Radiant AI was another blow. The main quest was dull and short. And never forget the horrible level scaling system.

I know that Morrowind was also lauded as piece of trash when it came out, since there were a lot of cuts on skills and mechanics from Daggerfall, but people quickly outgrew those. It seems most people just couldn't take the over-simplification that came with Oblivion and subsequently with Skyrim. That is why most people that enjoyed Daggerfall/Morrowind cannot be satisfied with the newer games. It is not nostalgia. Hell, I play Morrowind all the time, not because I'm nostalgic about it, but because it is a good game and as such it is by the standard of Morrowind that I measure the next installments. And they don't measure up. Skyrim is better than Oblivion by a longshot though. It may seem that Oblivion will actually remain that "retardo" offspring of the TES series.

Well default oblivion was generic but with all the top mods its easily one of the greatest rpgs ever.

Where is this "hate" business coming from, anyway? People complain about things they care about. It isn't "hate" when people express disappointment, or share the opinion that something should have been done differently. It isn't "hate" when somebody compares one thing to another; I don't hate oranges just because I prefer apples.

People can have the opinion that Morrowind was better than Oblivion without hating Oblivion. (I play both games, and as I said previously, I think Morrowind is the better game and Oblivion is the better role-play sandbox.) The longevity of the game, and the fact that new players keep signing up on this forum, are indications that people don't dislike the game.

Yea morrowind was a class of it's own. It was the last truly open TES game IMO. I'm not talking about maps either, I'm talking about the ability for choosing your own path.

I'm going to call you on this. I'd like you to explain in detail how I am prevented from choosing my own path in Oblivion. I'd also like to know how I was better able to choose my own path in Morrowind. Thanks.

Along with Person Wyrd I also challenge you on this statement. It seems utterly unsubstantiated. With all due respect to Morrowind, Oblivion also always for considerable character customization - as I see it.

True, yes Morrowind had the three houses who helped you pick side and aided roleplaying.
Except for this it was an minor conflict between the thief guild and fighter guild.

Except for this I see no difference, skills does not matter here as I see it
Morrowind had better main quest, mostly as it was long and less pushy but grew on you.
Oblivion had better side quests and better gameplay mechanisms