Why did the Nerevarine have to destroy the Tribunal?

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:28 pm

I haven't played Morrowind, but I've read a lot about the story and the lore. And there's just one thing I don't understand. It seems like the Dunmer are better off with the leadership of people like Vivec and Almalexia. Why doesn't the Nerevarine destroy Dagoth Ur and help restore the Tribunal to its former glory?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:22 pm

I haven't played Morrowind, but I've read a lot about the story and the lore. And there's just one thing I don't understand. It seems like the Dunmer are better off with the leadership of people like Vivec and Almalexia. Why doesn't the Nerevarine destroy Dagoth Ur and help restore the Tribunal to its former glory?
'Cause Almalexia's a crazy [censored] who attacked the Nerevarine first. Besides, you can't restore them to their former glory. The heart of the world is no longer available for them to draw power from.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:54 pm

Dagoth Ur and the Tribunal were drawing from the same power source. In order to destroy him for good, they had to sacrifice their divinity.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:14 pm

Dagoth Ur and the Tribunal were drawing from the same power source. In order to destroy him for good, they had to sacrifice their divinity.

Which Seht and Vehk didn't really care about, but drove Ayem screamin' socks bonkers.

Really, it was just their time to go.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:34 pm

The Tribunal came too early, according to some sources. It made cosmic sense for them to end.

Not that this kalpa had any modicum of linear time anyway. Poor Aka.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:52 pm

i like to think the nerevarine simply limited the damage

like jiub said they all lost their divinity when the heart went byebye

if almalexia was left alone to complete her little scheme everyone wouldve been off much worse

effectively the nerevarine didnt destroy the tribunal, the tribunal, specifically almalexia, destroyed the tribunal
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:13 pm

Why doesn't the Nerevarine destroy Dagoth Ur and help restore the Tribunal to its former glory?
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/progress-truth
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:14 pm

I quote this once a month, but it is always applicable:

'Can a member of the Invisible Gate become so archaic that its successor is not so much an improvement of the exact model, but rather a related model that is just needed more because of the currency of the world's condition? ...
...in the west, the Rainmaker vanishes. No one needs him anymore.

Almalexia couldn't handle being mortal and not being the center of attention. Seht embraced it, let himself fade off the stage; he was tired of it all anyway. Vivec realized that "the model is set [not] according to an ideal" but is instead "tied to an ever-changing unconscious mortal agenda" - that the Tribunal was not what Morrowind needed at the dawn of the 4th age.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:42 pm

Because Vivec, Almalexia, Sotha Sil are douchebags who like to stab you in the back and then say "the mortal version of me did it."

Nerevar the mortal slayed the Tribunal, Nerevarine the immortal did not.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:25 pm

Dagoth Ur, Almalexia and Sotha Sil needed to be mercy-killed. Sotha Sil was murdered, but he was still a mad god and is better off dead.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:24 pm

Dagoth Ur, Almalexia and Sotha Sil needed to be mercy-killed. Sotha Sil was murdered, but he was still a mad god and is better off dead.
I quite don't recall Sotha being completely out of it and posing a distinct threat to those around him, barring his self isolation.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:57 pm

Yes, he wasn't a threat, but (in my opinion) he was no longer what he used to be, and given how isolated he was, and that he did not notice the world around him anymore, I'd say he was kinda out of it, in the harmless way (harmless to others). It was sad the he became a slave to his obsessive interests and to mysteries he would never, ever solve. It's not a shame that he died as much as it's a shame that he lived like that. Uncovering secrets and mysteries no longer made him happy, instead it made him become more and more self-absorbed, sinking deeper and deeper into something which would reward him neither with answers nor with anything good. He was wasting his life away. Perhaps death brought him freedom. He was a god, powerful enough to live on in Aetherius for a long, long time.

I shouldn't have said that he "needed" to be mercy-killed, but he was no longer in a healthy state of mind. That's what I think.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:31 pm

Yes, he wasn't a threat, but (in my opinion) he was no longer what he used to be, and given how isolated he was, and that he did not notice the world around him anymore, I'd say he was kinda out of it, in the harmless way (harmless to others). It was sad the he became a slave to his obsessive interests and to mysteries he would never, ever solve. It's not a shame that he died as much as it's a shame that he lived like that. Uncovering secrets and mysteries no longer made him happy, instead it made him become more and more self-absorbed, sinking deeper and deeper into something which would reward him neither with answers nor with anything good. He was wasting his life away. Perhaps death brought him freedom. He was a god, powerful enough to live on in Aetherius for a long, long time.

I shouldn't have said that he "needed" to be mercy-killed, but he was no longer in a healthy state of mind. That's what I think.

thats what azura meant in her little speech after the visit to the clockwork city i think
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:51 pm

Because Vivec, Almalexia, Sotha Sil are douchebags who like to stab you in the back and then say "the mortal version of me did it."
Accounts have sanctified Nerevar the Hero. I'm inclined to believe he was not; and their whitewash of this barbarian's treason is the darker mystery.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:26 pm

thats what azura meant in her little speech after the visit to the clockwork city i think

Come to think of it, you might be right.

Nerevar was a hero, but I think the Chimer had some grotesque customs. According to two sources - one of them being Vivec's Lessons, the other a history book in Morrowind, Nerevar feasted on Dumac's heart, or at least ripped it out.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:28 pm

Come to think of it, you might be right.

Nerevar was a hero, but I think the Chimer had some grotesque customs. According to two sources - one of them being Vivec's Lessons, the other a history book in Morrowind, Nerevar feasted on Dumac's heart, or at least ripped it out.
TIL Nerevar wanted to be a Bosmer, but couldn't be bothered to eat the rest of the corpse.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:14 pm

Because spending any time on Vvardenfell will make you a complete [NUMINIT].
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:04 pm

1. Dagoth Ur and the Tribunal have the same source of power, and the only way to stop Dagoth Ur is to destroy it.
2. Sotha Sil was killed by Almalexia, not the Nerevarine.
3. Killing Almalexia can be construed as self-defence or justice.
4. Oblivion and The Infernal City seem to suggest the Nerevarine did not canonically kill Vivec.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:43 pm

TIL Nerevar wanted to be a Bosmer, but couldn't be bothered to eat the rest of the corpse.

I almost forgot that they were cannibals.


Killing Almalexia is self-defense. The Nerevarine might be guilty of many things, but not of murdering Almalexia.

And Vvardenfell...Vvardenfell is a [censored] up place with [censored] up people ruled by a [censored] up god who did outrageous [censored]. The weirdest thing is that seeing how [censored] up Vvardenfell is makes you want to [censored] it up further. Because a cancer-deploying god is not enough.

It is why Vvardenfell is so beautiful.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 3:02 am

On the other hand, since the dissolution of the Tribunal, not a lot of good has happened to the Dunmer, particularly after Vivec went missing. (We await your triumphant return, lord and Lord),

Also, I don't mean to threadjack, but can someone please validate my crazy theory that Sotha Sil uploaded himself into the Clockwork City before Almalexia went to kill him, and that he could also still be alive?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:59 pm

I don't want to say "I hope so", but I'd really like to know more about Sotha Sil.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 3:27 am


Also, I don't mean to threadjack, but can someone please validate my crazy theory that Sotha Sil uploaded himself into the Clockwork City before Almalexia went to kill him, and that he could also still be alive?
Well, he does have a massive cable running into the back of his head, and old Alma tells the Nerevarine that Sotha Sil said nothing to her when she murdered him. Oh, and Sotha Sil is really quite unkempt. I think that's about the extent of the circumstantial evidence for that theory.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 2:17 am

They used artifacts left over from creation (Lorkhan's heart) to achieve God status. Even though they were basically helping things out, becoming divine without the blessing of the Gods is not going to go over well in the long run.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:03 pm

They used artifacts left over from creation (Lorkhan's heart) to achieve God status. Even though they were basically helping things out, becoming divine without the blessing of the Gods is not going to go over well in the long run.
Its not like the Aedra could do jack (Or care too much) about it a whole bunch, they're regularly put in through a grinder by mortals on a regular basis, especially Akatosh.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 2:28 am

Its not like the Aedra could do jack (Or care too much) about it a whole bunch, they're regularly put in through a grinder by mortals on a regular basis, especially Akatosh.
Which is why the Tribunal lasted for so long until the prophecy finally came to life.
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