Not buying Vegas. A pity you Bethesda guys had to succumb to Steam like all the rest of them.

A choice to have or not have (like Warband) would`ve been good.

Shame.

Valve is Steam the gods of games :bowdown:

I think publishers like the free DRM & store

Steam has really improved since it launched. Like tremendously so. It's actually good now. Hard to believe if you saw it at its launch. Yikes.

If my recent experience with Steam (which basically was the worst experience I've ever had with a functioning computer) was it being good I'd hate to have seen it back then.

it's not very dial-up friendly (which would be a good thing if everyone needs it for even single-player games now)

http://store.steampowered.com/about/

Internet connection (broadband recommended)

some cheese to your whine?

No surprise. this is the `I don`t care about anyone else` society now. Who cares that not everyone has the internet to intially install? Who cares that we have to have this utility interfering with us most times? Who cares that it FORCES us to use it? Fine you guys who love being collared by the neck can live with it, you have that.

But what option do people like me who do not want Steam have?

What was wrong with Win Live? At first I thought it would be a pain, but found out that in FO3 it allowed me to install WITHOUT needing to be connected to the net. I discovered that I could even DISABLE it and play my game without WinLive at all.

But Steam FORCES you on the net just to install an Offline game. Forces itself to run whenever you start then moniters your usage by phoning home. Even going into `Offline` mode is not really offline mode as it still tries to phone back to steam centre if you stay connected to the net.

Bethesda, if you are reading this, please allow us the OPTION of NOT using Steam. I know this can be done. I thanked you last year for not using Steam with FO3, please do the same again. If you do this, I will buy Vegas.

Given my experiences with GFWL on F3, Steam has been a breeze this time around with not a single issue as yet.
I only speak for myself and respect all others opinions but I for one am glad of the change.

A lot of us think about this for a moment, then go "...But I'm reading about this complaint on the internet."



I haven't found steam interfering with me once; it's helped me several times by alerting me to the hugely lucrative steam sales too. Why, just today when I went to play NV, steam told me about how Titan Quest was 75% off for today only. It doesn't help me in particular because I already bought TQ, but I've encountered other games that I didn't have that steam told me were hugely discounted as part of a sale.



Being forced to use additional software to run a game is nothing new. You are forced to run the game on a windows operating system which is XP or newer, a system which is running directX.



Well, "try it out and find that it's not that bad" is still on the table.



The problem with Fo3's implementation of GFWL was that it was meant to be DRM alongside Securom, but in one of the most hilarious oversights imaginable, only the game launcher rather than the exe was encrypted, and GFWL wasn't mandatory.

FO3 was rather heavily pirated as a result, which prompts the shareholders to scream bloody murder. The old system simply isn't viable any more.

For any future game, we'd basically have a few options:

Steam, Securom (install limit optional; rootkit that edits your core kernel not optional), UbiDrm (all online all the time! No offline mode ever!), GFWL as it's implemented in other games like Dawn of War 2 (no saves unless you're logged into GFWL), or something else that nobody's thought of yet.



My network traffic says otherwise. Have you encountered this yourself, or are you just repeating unverified rumors as fact?

Let's see here...


SecuROM: Denies you the right to have a 100% legal disc emulator running, denies you the right to install as many times as you want, and it gets in the way of mods. Oh and it also gets in the way of uninstalling your game.
GFWL: Just plain annoying, hides DLC/save games, and gets in the way.
Ubisoft's latest DRM: Restricts installs, restricts what other software you can run, kicks you back to the main menu when you lose internet, won't allow you to play offline, won't even allow you to save progress if it loses connection...
Steam: Allows you infinite concurrent installs, allows you to browse the internet WHILE IN GAME, allows you to quickly and easily manage your game library, allows you to chat with friends while in game, allows you to buy games without driving into town, doesn't care if you mod games, doesn't care if you run Daemon Tools, doesn't care if you lose the disc or not, allows you to play offline, doesn't kick you back to the menu and eat your progress if you lose connection


Yeah. Steam is evil. Heaven forbid it give you so many nice features and not restrict your rights needlessly. You go right on missing out on the game of the decade because you are under the false impression that Steam is evil. Oh, and have fun with the other DRMs getting in the way way worse than Steam can even dream of.

Steam is least of the mandatory evils with corporate greed the way it is. I don't fault people for disliking Steam, but at least dislike it for the right reasons, the rumors spouted in the OP are by and large false, barring it being 56k-unfriendly and it sending non-personal system info to Steam/Valve's central whatsit if you're in online mode. Hate steam because it's the sad future, not because you just plain don't like it.

You'd think the fact that Obsidian/Beth managed to push out two patches before Europe even got a launch would be a sign that Steam can be a good thing for a lot of people.

There have been lots of Steam topics, use the latest one in http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1130725-steam-requirement-customer-abuse-by-gamesas/

As the OP is not buying it there is no point in him continuing to discuss his non purchase in the New Vegas forum.