Not really. Sorry, people will automatically look for fault in bethsda because they took it from being a computer only game, changed the mechanics and viewpoint and even the location. This has people looking for every fault they can find.
Put up to the same scrutiny i think just as many issues are in the originals.

Whether a dev comes out and said "i kinda boned this during edevelopment" or they have someone say "i am giving you a BS answer because we dont really have a reason" its still the same thing.
one is just up front about it.


Then they should have known the outside world was fine and wouldnt need to spend almost 200 years on the rig.




they dont have to subject anyone to the experiments is what I am saying. experiments should yelld data that can be applied to situations you can prep for prior to putting your group into isolation. It does no good to have social experiments occouring while youre already isolated and cannot do anything about your situation. Youre there. Even if you have thin watery gurel, just as your experiment does, it doesnt do much good.. I certainly don think it is justifiable on the level of planning abnd excutiont hat went into it. Especially when the end result going to space yeilds practically nothing.



the alien part was a joke on the type that would most certinaly be put off byany aliens in any way shape or form that is canon..

But to simply assume they had a habitable planet in mind is kind of reaching. No one had even been to other planets, let alone outside of the solar sytem. To suggest that they would know about a Golfilocks planet that was habitable would assume that there was huge amount of research put into this, proper research that doesnt rely on vault experiments aka "what if" scenarios. They would simply have contingencies for any issue they could come up with a social experiment for prior to undertaking such a feat.
"What if we have thin watery gurel?"
Instead of designing an elaborate social experiment in a vault that may or may not yeild any data, let alone useful data, they would simply say "include extra extruder parts"


It is much much more realistic to suggest thatthey would be living in a box. in space, or on another planet, unable to go outside without a suit.

Resources being stripped from earth? This also wouldnt have been an issue. Fossil fules are pretty much the only thing that was depleted and with the advent of microfusion tech, they dont need them.

Because they deserve it. After reading that little excerpt from Emil, I've lost all pretty much all my faith in Bethesda leading Fallout. They should just let Obsidian take the reins, it's obvious they could do a much better job. Most of them helped create it anyway.

So they get "honesty" points? The fact that someone from the dev team would just so casually admit that they rendered their own ending and it's theme on sacrifice and the greater good useless and still decided to proceed with basically what they knew was a cop-out is just shameful.

Also I find all this Enclave and Beth talk a little rich coming from you actually seeing as how Bethesda used Eden to give an origin story for the Enclave but you refuse to believe that it's true.

The Enclave could have if their goals were different. That's where goals matter.

The Enclave's goal was to kill as many mutants as possible and keep as few alive as slaves as necessary whereas Caesar's goal was to kill all who he believed necessary to send a message and enslave everybody else.

If the Enclave decided to enslave but sterilize everybody then yes, they would've easily taken over everything and everybody but they decided to go the massacring route and now they're in ruins. I don't want to repeat it again but Caesar and the Enclave are very different about what they want and how they go about reaching their goals.

He read a lot of books on war tactics and Julius Caesar, he taught those backwards tribals how to shoot their guns, clean their weapons, and attack affectively, straight from his book on war tactics. Caesar got where he did because he was the right man in the right place at the right time (well it was a terrible place at the worst possible time but that just gave him a ton of room to improve it).

Ok ok you want to know why the enclave wernt wreaking the wasteland?
DO YOU? ok 3 words, Vault 68

Was it? It has to be in the right orbital position to fire on the Citadel, it's why you can't shoot Megaton or Rivet City.

Right, and this would serve as something of an explanation for why it wasn't used immediately after blasting Prime to bits.

However, it doesn't explain why it wasn't used on the Citadel when the Brotherhood were breaching Adams and the Bradley was clearly in strike position as the LW used it by that point.

Likewise, I'd question the realism of being able to fire on the Citadel, but not on Rivet City which is just about a mile or so to the right.......

Uh, i said "The same thing as" Meaning = and not > or <.


What we disagree on is whether a character in a game is to be seen as omniscient, or if there may be some false or skewed recolection or half truth.
Pres Richards for instance, saying that the reds launced first. Sorry, cant take his word.

I know. Eden is a robot and it's impossible for him to have false emmories or implanted data . You can take that position. thats fine. I will take it with a grain of salt.. We have had this conversation. I have my reasons and they are mine.
You can believe of the Enclave as you wish. I don't subscribe to the same thoughts on them and that is OK.


At any rate, the thing which you seem to insinuate is that i claim beths writing to be perfect. This has never been my position.
But there is sooooooo much "beth svcks" pvssyr on here, i feel compelled to point out flaws with the originals.

Not in 2077.
We dont know what their goals were then.

In reality it would be roughly 3-4 miles, but it can still fire on the Mobile Base.

So maybe it has to be on a longitudinal/latitudinal (although if it was a latitude line it still should have hit Rivet city) line or something, and the Mobile Base Crawler happened to move onto the line.

Point?

I was explaining to evlbastrd why the Enclave haven't formed a giant country.

There goals back then don't matter.

Thats what he was saying.
Their goals back then didnt matter.


nevermind.