Why does BOS hate ghouls?

Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:47 am

I think Bethesda creating Feral Ghouls has kind of warped ghouls as a concept. Ghouls were initially meant to stand-in for victims of oppression and irrational hatred. There's no reason to hate them whatsoever other than bigotry.

However, Feral Ghouls now give a "reason" to hate them.

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Nick Tyler
 
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Post » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:10 pm

Ghouls don't exactly do that, snap at a moments notice. (Well, no more often than regular people do.) From the wiki: "As the reasoning and critical thinking portions of a ghoul's brain deteriorate, the ghoul subject becomes increasingly hostile, giving in to a carnal need to feed. <...> anecdotal evidence seems to indicate that non-social ghouls, or those in isolation, are more prone to the condition."

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Brad Johnson
 
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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:39 am

Because it's what? "A medical condition"?

Should we just treat mental health patients like outcasts then? Should we be fearful of schizophrenics?

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Adrian Morales
 
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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:05 am

No, because we can afford to care for them.

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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:22 am

On ghouls still being human; Not even ghouls belive that. "What do you want human?"
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Brooke Turner
 
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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:36 am

And Super Mutants/Centaurs are just people who contracted the FEV virus. Should we be friendly to them as well?

From a certain view, BoS are justified in their actions. BTW, every faction is in it for themselves in Fallout series, so the BoS are no more good or evil than every other faction out there.

And can we stop with the real-life comparisons about race and religion? It's getting ridiculous and gettine borderline off-topic.

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Kayla Oatney
 
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Post » Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:09 pm

Apparently we need a kinder gentle wasteland.
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CArla HOlbert
 
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Post » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:10 pm

Human, not "smoothskin"? Where did you hear that?

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Post » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:01 pm

Nonsense. The humans in the Railroad rescuing synths are in it for themselves? How? The Minutemen like Preston, shepherding and protecting settlers, in it for themselves? How?

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Post » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:45 pm


Being treated like an abomination for 200 years tends to do that. Also, humans are a reminder of what they lost. Apparently, Van Buren was going to introduce born ghouls which would have made Ghouls into a species instead of victims of a medical condition, but we all know what happened to it.
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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:24 am

The Brotherhood have an issue with mutants in general because of their start at Mariposa military base. Ghouls and super mutants are a constant reminder of science gone wrong. They pretty much say that in Fallout 4.

Don't confuse the hate for ghoul with the idea that the Brotherhood wants all it's members to be 100% pure humans like the Enclave. The Brotherhood aren't pure humans.

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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:33 am

The Slog a settlement in the northeast. Or maybe central North I tend to judge from my last position. Really it's a common thing I've heard from ghouls.

Edit: Topic go fast.
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Austin England
 
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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:04 am

Racism is a survival mechanism - if you don't trust outsiders, they're less likely to be capable of killing your family or taking your food. It was necessary in the olden days but it isn't necessary now irl.

however, it's very necessary in fallout, given that everything and everyone wants to either take your stuff or kill you.

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Post » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:23 pm

You can't find one that isn't based in racism.

But racism, in fallout, isn't always wrong.

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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:49 am

Why wouldn't the BoS hate ghouls? They're mutants with the potential to go feral at the drop of a dime.

And an even worse transgression: They whine a lot about their predicament, calling us "smooth skins" and attempting to evoke sympathy!

And they stink.

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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:24 am

Lets see, why would a xenophobic, near fascist, human centric group, hate mutants, and at least strongly dislike ghouls?

BOS are not the white knights FO3 made them to be. Im glad beth made that distinction again.
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Kelli Wolfe
 
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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:13 am

I outlined why here:

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Celestine Stardust
 
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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:59 am

Were I in the scenario to decide a faction, this is probably why I would side with the Institute. Cleanliness. I just want a shower and some toiletries damn it!

Seriously though, rotting bodies have to stink something fierce. I'm sure the wastelanders don't smell like flowers, but compared to possibly maggot infested flesh...

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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:38 am

I had similar issues (and more) with this quest as well. Although, it did remind me of a (real) fungus that I read about that seems to have metabolic processes feuled by gamma rays. Unfotunately I do not have the link, but I will edit in if I find it.

Now, to the subject at hand. As many have said, the BoS do not hate them, but rather they are, with a dash of distrusful disdain, indifferent towards non-ferals. The ghouls do represent the dangers of destructive technologies unleashed, along with the corruption of the legacy of makind through mutation. The preservation of this legacy is one of their most important beliefs. It is part of the reason that they gather tech, and why they value genetic purity. Their penchant for purity is borne of this, not Nietzschean pseudoscience. The BoS respose to ghouls is rater pragmatic, as they pose a security threat. They could, after all, could turn feral. The BoS does not always shoot them on sight, in fact they often tolerate their presence, so long as they do not offer any provocation. In short, they don't slaughter the ghouls, but they won't be winning any civil liberties awards.

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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:24 am

I disagree, they seem 100% human behaviorally, no different except their exterior and immortality. They tend to be more skilled than most since they have the benefit of a century or two of life. I can understand the actions of the local townspeople like at Diamond City where desperate people can turn on one another even when it is not deserved. But the BOS are more educated and seem to view themselves as "above the fray" so it doesn't make sense they would hate non-ferals except as pure run of the mill xenophobia. Maybe they are like Cerberus in Mass Effect 3.

It doesn't seem that way, they say some ugly comments. I had the ghoul follower with me as we approached the airport and the BOS at the gate mentioned how they view the ghouls as monsters and said something to the effect that he might need a bullet in the head. Nothing happened, it was just the regular scripted comments they say as you walk by. But it definitely did not sound friendly let alone that they felt sorry for him.

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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:25 am

That's the meat of it although they seem a little nicer than the other two since they only want to kill the other two factions, not non-feral ghouls, friendly/sentient super-mutants. They are fighting for the liberation of sentient beings who are not them (albeit willing to do ugly things to that end) vs the extermination of everyone else who is not them like the other two factions.

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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:15 am

Name one sentient ghoul that is killed by the Brotherhood of Steel.

I'll wait.

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Post » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:18 pm

This is a good point.

At no part of the game has Maxon, or Reyes sent us to "cleanse" sentient ghouls from the population in a culling of stratholm style razing of good neighbor.

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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:54 am

Why do you hate the Omnisiah?

(I'm being tongue and cheek of course--just a heads up)

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Post » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:30 am

Do you consider Gen 1 and 2 synths as people?

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