Why does Dragonplate have a lower AC than Daedra? : V

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:29 am

It is the final smithing skill you can unlock and it is weaker to the one prior. Is there something I am missing here?

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:29 am

It is the final smithing skill you can unlock and it is weaker to the one prior. Is there something I am missing here?

Daedric>Dragonbone.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:39 am

3 reasons from my perspective:

1 Daedric hearts are rarer than dragon bones/scales

2 Daedric has traditionally been the best heavy armor

3 It lets them combine the Light and Heavy armor variants into 1 perk

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:31 pm

It is the final smithing skill you can unlock and it is weaker to the one prior. Is there something I am missing here?

It is?

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:09 am

It is the final smithing skill you can unlock and it is weaker to the one prior. Is there something I am missing here?

Honestly, it doesn't matter. If you smith Dragon Armor (thus 100 smithing) you can improve either daedric or Dragon armor to hit the cap. As the cap isn't obvious, they should have just made dragon plate a bit better just for the fact that it is higher, but it isn't really necessary.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:32 am

It is?

The heavy version is. Dragon scale is the best light armor, but dragon plate while still being the end perk is not the best heavy armor.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:18 am

Dragonscale is the best light armor.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:29 am

Dragonplate is considerably lighter than daedric and only marginally lower in defense.

The counter argument to this is that once you get the max rank heavy armor perk, weight doesn't matter.

The counter-counter argument to that is that once you have 100 in smithing and heavy armor, both sets are going to be reaching the AC cap once upgraded, anyway, so it honestly comes down to personal preference of aesthetics.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:43 am

To op, check the difference, whats the actual armor value difference? Are you really upset at the 20 armor. And also dragonplate is lighter than daedric.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:50 am

The heavy version is. Dragon scale is the best light armor, but dragon plate while still being the end perk is not the best heavy armor.

Hmm good to know for my warrior, guess that means there is no real need to put a perk point in it then.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:28 am

Daedric weighs more, and is barely better. There's an extra 10 weight on the Armor alone.

I also have a unique Ebony Mace that's as strong as a Legendary Daedric with 50% bonus damage.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:40 am

Daedric weighs more, and is barely better. There's an extra 10 weight on the Armor alone.

I also have a unique Ebony Mace that's as strong as a Legendary Daedric with 50% bonus damage.

So the difference in AR is very small then, and Dragon Armor is lighter seeing your post and the one from Furry Argonian....Hmmm.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:39 am

The perk tree for smithing could have been better planned.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:13 am

Really are any of you guys hurting with talent points. I am level 45 and have all the perks I want in the 1h tree block tree heavy armour, I ended up putting points into sneak and restoration just because, and theres still 36 levels till cap. I just dont get when people get pissed cause they "wasted" 1 or 2 perk points, you have SO many to work with

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:27 am

So the difference in AR is very small then, and Dragon Armor is lighter seeing your post and the one from Furry Argonian....Hmmm.

I think the AR difference is 10-20, but I forget because I upgraded it beyond Legendary with Blacksmith's potions and Smithing boosting jewelry. Oh and it's still not broken!

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:07 am

The difference is so small that it doesn't matter.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:41 am

Really are any of you guys hurting with talent points. I am level 45 and have all the perks I want in the 1h tree block tree heavy armour, I ended up putting points into sneak and restoration just because, and theres still 36 levels till cap. I just dont get when people get pissed cause they "wasted" 1 or 2 perk points, you have SO many to work with

I have no problem with taking perk points into other skills, it is just that if there is a big difference in AR between Daedric and Dragon Armor then i would take the heavier Daedric and handle the weight of it. But if the AR Difference between the two is minor and the Dragon Armor is lighter then Daedric then i will take the Dragon Armor perk as well.

The difference is so small that it doesn't matter.

Alright then, thanks for the conformation on it Fleapants. Guess i will take it then.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:00 am

The difference is so small that it doesn't matter.

the difference between almost all of the armors is really small.

tbth elemental resists are probably far better than a few extra points most of which are usually over the cap anyway

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:15 am

The smithing tree is simply just wrong. It was clearly a bad design choice to make such a thing. I wont put any points into it due to needing points in other areas

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:41 am

I think the primary reason is because of how easy/hard it is to make the two.

As I'm sure you've noticed dragons are almost as common as deer whereas daedra are incredibly rare.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:45 am

If you think about it, Dragon armor should also give fire/frost/whatever reistances...maybe it enchants better?

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:14 am

If you think about it, Dragon armor should also give fire/frost/whatever reistances...maybe it enchants better?

All armor enchants the same, and I don't think dragons have special resists. I hit fire dragons with fire all the time.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:04 am

the difference between almost all of the armors is really small.

tbth elemental resists are probably far better than a few extra points most of which are usually over the cap anyway

Indeed. You can nearly hit the armor cap in Fur if you work on your professions and invest in light armor perks.

The big killers for me have always been mages, and melee dudes that I was too low level to fight anyway.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:44 am

Since both the daedric armor and dragonplate armor can bring you to the armor cap, and dragonplate is lighter, isn't dragonplate better?

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:36 am

It is the final smithing skill you can unlock and it is weaker to the one prior. Is there something I am missing here?

I was surprised by this, too. I was going to make a joke about the dragons being poofs, but...meh. Someone will tweak this eventually; although, for me, since I like the Daedric armor better anyway, it just means one less perk I have to put into smithing.