hey im new to the forums but im not new to fallout. ive been going through the forums and i have to ask why do people hate fallout 3 so much? it was an amazing game but everywhere i go i see just negativity. i know new vegas is a good game but it just isn't as good as fallout 3 to be honest. fallout 3 was one of my favorite games of all time and has a special lace in my heart, it just annoys me that everybody seems to hate it.

It made lore it's [censored].

IMO, it's not so much that everyone hates it, but some people (notably the regulars of "No Mutants Allowed", a Fallout 1/2 fansite) hate it a lot. Enough for two or three people each.

If you head on down to the NMA, they hate F3, I mean all of them. They are like the Old Guard of Fallout. http://www.nma-fallout.com/

Anyway, I like Fallout 3 but New Vegas is better. There are a multitude of problems with F3.

In F3, the story is more like a epic driven story. Unlike FNV, its much more freeform and story driven as you can choose your factions and here out there points. In F3, your forced to join the Brotherhood, which makes it very hard to RP in. Even more so, if you support the Enclave, its a bothced one as they still attack you. Also, in the Capital Wasteland, its been 200 years and nno goverment or civilization yet. No vegetation. I could go on.

I haven't been on NMA, but there aren't actually that many people here who genuinely hate Fallout 3. There are a few that I can think of, but it would take less then one hand to count them off. There is a lot of criticism though for several very good reasons. If you haven't yet then I would suggest giving Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics a try and learn those reasons for yourself.

As what Lobotomite said, play F1, F2 and Tactics. It is required!

what is lore?
and i dont know if ill like the first to fallouts they look really wierd, whats tactics?
and if nma is a fansite why do they hate fallout 3 so much?
and lobotomite the stuff i see them get critisized for they one alot of awards for like story exploration and the destroyed city look.
this is off topic but is there any news on fallout 4 i heard it was going to be in new york and have vehicles and multiplayer and on the ps4 and xbox 720?

1. Lore is like the background of the game, book, or movie.
2. Its a bit hard to understand and first, and its hard. F1, f2, FT, is not weir. Fallout Tactics is more of a squad based shooter but its really good.
3. Yes, but they never played the orgiginals. FNV got less rating, and many of the reviewers said FNV lacked a big and post apocalyptiv world, but not focusing on the Story ([censored] Reviewers )
4. No

Lore is everything that came before in-game, its literally the history of the world of Fallout.

NMA is the oldest still-functioning Fallout fansite. From what I hear nearly everyone there hates Fallout 3 for the same reason why people here criticize it. There were other Fallout's before Fallout 3 and Bethesda changed many things when they bought the franchise, the vast majority of it was not an improvement.

The inherent problem with video game reviewers is quantity of games, they have to play many different games in short time spans. They play just enough of the game so they can get an opinion of it, this is never a good way to judge a games story.

There is no news on Fallout 4, use the Fallout Series Discussion forum and the Suggestions thread http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1396010-fallout-4-speculation-suggestions-and-ideas-thread-75/ if you want to give ideas for the next game.

If you do choose to give suggestions then please consider playing the originals first, they'll help you understand a lot of what is referred to. Plus you'll never completely understand the criticism Fallout 3 deserves if you don't play them.

where can i learn about lore?

nma seems like a bunch pissy sore losers stuck in the past. and i thought bethesda did major improvements over the old fallouts in fallout 3.

and i tought the reviewers did a good job they never give a crappy game good reviews and the best games get good reviews.

1. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_world

2. They were mad of how F3 was a fps and how it was in the EC.

3. Fallout New Vegas got rewards but had rating from the 70s - 90s. Main complaint was the bugs but most have been fixed.

1 - By playing Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics.

2 - You haven't played the originals so how do you know what Bethesda added? How would you feel if you grew up playing and loving a game series, then have another company buy your beloved series and hack off just about everything that you enjoyed about it? Don't fall into the trap so many other Bethesda junkies do and blindly insult what you don't understand.

3 - Are you agreeing with their opinions or are you following them? My advice is that you try the originals and judge them for yourself rather then trusting the opinions of others above your own.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just get annoyed with all of this blind hate Fallout 3 fans show to Fallout fans.

The bolded is opinion. The only part I think you can say with certainty that BGS did demonstrably worse was the writing (which includes the lore violations and continuity issues, which are bad). I thought the writing in F1 & F2 was great, but I thought every single other aspect of the originals were less enjoyable than F3 and FNV. IMO, F:NV is comprehensively superior to the originals. And I am not some neophyte, FPS-loving BGS bot. I just think the originals have charm, but are dated and tedious. Opinion.

And trying to invalidate the reviews by questioning the process is weak. F3 received, as Metacritic puts it, "universal acclaim", and it wasn't because the reviewers didn't spend enough time with it. The new Fallouts are definitely different than the originals, but some people can't wrap their heads around the notion that different =/= inferior. Just because fans of the originals think the new iterations, especially F3, are categorically worse does not make it immutable fact.

I generally refrain from using cliched, inflammatory meme-ish language, but some people really are just butthurt that BGS turned their game into a different animal, and can't or won't recognize opinion of the new direction that doesn't mirror their own as valid.

I'm also tired of the "play the originals, then you'll know why..." line. I played the originals after the newer games, expecting some sort of epiphany, but what I found were two games that while very good, were just as flawed (though in different ways) as the new games, and two games that I enjoyed markedly less. If I spend a quarter of the time playing the originals as I did playing the newer games, I'd be crying from the tedium. This opinion, I suspect, stems from the fact that I have no nostalgic attachment to the originals or some romanticized, preconceived notion of what Fallout "should" be.

Fallout 3, on it's own and judged as the sum of it's parts, is a great game. I don't know why some people can't just say "I didn't like it" or "it didn't meet my expectations" instead of casting categorical aspersions.

To the TC: not everyone hates F3 (not even close), it's just those that dislike it the most congregate in places like this and to a greater extent nma (which really is a venomous hive of pathetic, butthurt babies, honestly) to find like minded people and in the hope of making their discontent heard (ostensibly in the hope that someone who matters will hear their pleas and move things back in a direction they more like the originals). Because F3 (and to a lesser extent F:NV) are flawed I can appreciate much of this sentiment, but a whole lot of it is simply malcontent and sour graqes.


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I can appreciate that, but it's a two way street. A lot of old school Fallout fans treat those who prefer the new games like unrefined, brain-dead philistines whose opinions are irrelevant because their fandom isn't "true".

It's just as ridiculous.

Fallout 3 is fine people just love to [censored] about change.

I honestly do like New Vegas more then any of the other Fallout's and I realize that what I said about Fallout 3 was opinion, but it is one held by many Fallout fans and it is the I felt was most relevant to the OP's question. I did play Fallout 3 again after I played the originals for a comparison and I can honestly say that I enjoyed the originals more.

As for the "play the originals and you'll know why" line, I don't mean that if you play the originals you will automatically denounce Bethesda and join NMA. If you play the originals and give them a legitimate chance then you should at least know why many Fallout fans despise Fallout 3; even if your opinion isn't changed all that much by it, it should at the very least allow you to see the reason.

I will admit that Fallout 3 on its own is a good game, that isn't really the problem though. The route of it all is that it is not a good Fallout. Change can be a good thing, ignoring what came before is not.
I can honestly say that I sometimes think that way, but only when a fan who hasn't played the originals thinks that they know what Fallout really is about and aren't willing to listen to anything different.