It could be. I'd add that I don't think the events of MW and expansions took the Nerevarine days. I think it was months at the least. Sorry to nitpick though.

The Nerevarine is the most beloved person in vvardenfell if he was to kill helseth then he would have the full sopurt of all of vvardenfell(and presumebly alot of the mainland).


He could then rise agianst the legions with all the civialians of morrowind at his back(including more then have of the grweat houses) and start a civil war.

Methinks and would hope that he would win.

Since the time of Tiber Septim, Morrowind has been increasingly assimilated into the Empire, while it's political elite remains as dis-unified as ever. The Dunmer may believe they would fight a guerilla war against the Empire - but if this were so, why do they not do so now? Is it really believable that House Hlaalu would cut off its source of wealth to fight a shadow war against the Empire? Would House Telvanni risk its independence and invite retribution in pursuit of the fantasy of an independent Morrowind? Perhaps Redoran and Indoril warriors would throw their lives away in some meaningless display of defiance, but are they really subtle enough to coordinate an underground resistance on the scale needed to drive the Imperial legions back west again? Would House Dres fight an insurgent campaign to bleed the Imperial forces dry and drive them out, knowing the Empire can easily retaliate in kind, encouraging and funding large scale slave uprisings across their plantations?

And if the Great Houses will not or cannot act, why would the common Dunmer act? The merchants know their wealth comes from the peace and prosperity the Empire provides them; the peasants and labourers have no particular stake in who holds the reins of power.

The Dunmer are not fanatics; there are more than enough that would prefer the security and prosperity of Imperial rule to the theoretical benefits of independence.

Indeed, a Nerevarine with the right political skills could have united the houses Dres, Indoril, Redoran, half of house Hlaalu, the Ashlanders and the Tribunal Temple. But why would they move against the Empire?
As 4thofeleven once put it:

And also, as I've pointed out elsewhere, you're assuming the Nerevarine is Dunmer. If he/she isn't, though, the Dunmer would be even less likely to unite behind them. The Nerevarine is less a would-be king than the ultimate problem-solver who does the dirty work for others.

It's true that at the end of "Morrowind" you get the saccharine good wishes of the ordinary people, but that seemed a little overdone to me.

Edit@wrong quote

Caius cosades says the empire is leaving in morrowind and in oblivion Martin and Uriel die.



You can't hide from the fact that the empire is dying and the tes world is being forged anew.

Indeed, a Nerevarine with the right political skills could have united the houses Dres, Indoril, Redoran, half of house Hlaalu, the Ashlanders and the Tribunal Temple. But why would they move against the Empire?
As 4thofeleven once put it:

True. For example: Not many Dres would follow an Argonian female. And most Redoran would not want their armies be led by a Nord.

But we also seem to assume that the Nerevarine has the right set of skills and the right kind of personality to do this. Secondly we also seem to think that the Nerevarine would be some kind of benevolent ruler. But the truth is that we don't even know what the Nerevarine is like. For all we know he only has the intelligence of a guar and be more ruthless than even Helseth.

Morrowind sold about five million copies. That means that there are over five million different Nerevarines out there.

Like I said: Indeed, a Nerevarine with the right political skills could have united the houses Dres, Indoril, Redoran, half of house Hlaalu, the Ashlanders and the Tribunal Temple. Helseth would have posed little trouble. And the Legions, in the Empire's weakened state, would have been no match for the combined Ashlander/Redoran/Indoril army.

Is the Nerevarine worthy of Morrowind? If he trully is the benevolent leader that most of the Ashlanders say he is then I would think so. Atleast a benevolent Nerevarine would have been better than the current king.

I do see one major problem for our Nerevarine king tough: He would have his job cut out for him. On the one hand you have the conservative factions who want to go back in the past. On the other hand you have all the progressive factions that want to move forward.
But I still rest my case: Why didn't the Nerevarine become king? Because he wasn't supposed to.

The reason why the Nerevarine didn't become king is because as Apophis said, their are too many Nerevarines. I always played Hlaalu, and his personality was much like Helseth's. Would he have been better. Maybe, but he liked Helseth (because I like Helseth). My Nerevarine was a lying, manipulative pro-Empire Dunmer who disliked the traditional Ashlanders and Redoran. Why would he overthrow the Empire?

But at the same time, your Nerevarine may have been a traditionalist, anti-foreigner Redoran that was a good fighter and was always honorable. That changes everything. And that is why he/she went to Akavir, never to be seen again.

And why does everything thinks that the Empire is going to collapse. If I was an Imperial and saw the end of Oblivion, I would be more motivated than ever to keep the Empire up. We'll see in the next game, but I'm not going to accept any theories that says the Empire will collapse until then.

Helseth acts like the most stereotypical Telvanni I have seen.

The Empire has ruled Tamriel for over a 1000 years, an entire era. It's time for it to change, maybe not collapse but certainly change.

You cannot play Oblivion and come out of it beleiving the imperials are still prancing through the fields smelling the flowers. Becuase they aint.

Helseth is a xenophobic mage-lord? :blink: I think you meant Hlaalu. Have you played Daggerfall, by the way? But, yes he is Hlaalu with Breton tendencies

Morrowind has not changed for 4000 years. It's time for a change, imo.

I come out of Oblivion thinking that the Imperials will change, but not for a collapse. If I was an Imperial and saw the end of Oblivion, I would feel that the gods are Cyrodiil and become pretty religiously fanatic, and feel the Empire is legitimized by the gods and pretty much screw the other provinces over.

You need to read inbetween the lines more. I didn't say he was a Telvanni at all.

Well duh, that's what the Nerevarine was all about.

Hmm. The more pragmatic imperials probably would be asking, "Hey Akatosh, would did you let all those barrier things fall down, aye? Why didn't you tell us about Umaril the Unfeathered? Why did he kill your holy priests? How come the Moth Preists weren't able to stop the onslaught of Mehrunes? And why didn't anyone know about the freaking Mythic Dawn cultists untill it was too late?"

Then, elaborate. Helseth is like a Telvanni, How?

He created the chaos, someone needs to reestablish order.

Helseth was exactly what the country needed. Lack of change leads to stagnation, stagnation leads to death. The people in Mournhold even say that he is exactly what they needed, if I recall correctly.

So Helseth is good becuase he is changing Morrowind by leading it into an equally stagnant, and chaotic empire?

Maybe, he did change the country to be more Imperial, sure he led them into an increasingly stagnant empire, but it was change for the country, and I'm sure that counts for something.

Maybe.

Mehrunes could have been a change for all of Nirn. Does that count for something?

We both should stop being pedantic and get back to the point, really.

However; in response to your only useful sentances there
He is determined by his actions.
Murder to get his to his place. (We don't for sure, presume for sure that he did poison Llethan)
Faithlessness. In both the Tribunal and the Daedra.
(I presume this, but correct me if I am wrong. He seems a secular prince or a Dunmeri follower of the Imperial Cult.)
Scheming. Kniving.
Paranoid.
A clear distrust in his own servants.

The Nerevarine created chaos?
No, the Nerevarine simply made the equation of existence equal again.
Mehrunes Dagon created chaos, and right on top of the Imperial City to be precise.

I'm going to advise this thread to remain parliamentary, even at the cost of refraining from responding to a perceived insult. There is too much invective for this forum, and some posts have already been deleted to prevent a flamewar. If anything that can be read as a personal attack is posted, the thread will not continue.

The Nerevarine toppled the existing power structures and religion and didn't leave any alternatives. Morrowind was a theocracy ruled by the Tribunal, which was the religion that most Dunmer followed fanatically. After the Nerevarine, the previous rulers were all dead, with only a figurehead to fill the vacuum, whom you advocate killing. The previous religion was also proven false, which I'm sure caused a heck of a culture shock.

From Nibani Maesa, wise-woman of the Urshilaku:

ONE DESTINY: "Veloth's people are the Dunmer, all Dunmer, Ashlander and Great House. The last time the Velothi were united were with Nerevar at the Battle of Red Mountain. Now Nerevar will come once again and unite the Dunmer. He will restore Morrowind to the Dunmer, and restore the former greatness of the Velothi people."

Maybe early on Bethesda had plans for the Nerevarine to tread the path of kings but for whatever reason shoved the Nerevarine out of the limelight and focused on the likes of Helseth and Barenziah--glorified fossils from the past. Anyone can swing a sword or wander the landscape, my Nerevarine was a military leader, administrator, and king of epic proportions who conquered all and forged an empire in his own name; the Immortal Khan of ashkhans.

We welcome Imperial law and the legions, and the trade they bring. We still respect the old Dunmer ways, the ancestors, the Temple, and the noble houses. But times change, and we change with the times. We can live in harmony with the other races. And share in the prosperity of the Empire."