You do relise thatthey are probobly under a 1000 NPC's in vvardenfell.

I don't think it would be hard to find a leader for all of them...

ELECT AYRON OF THE TELVANNI I SAY!

Ok. I accept that, for some reason, Morrowind needs a figurehead. Though I don't see why you all think the Grand Council is so redundant. I see that the only good thing Helseth has done so far as to aid to the stablity of Morrowind, (in such unstable times) is the reformation of the Grand Council and the "long stagnant" Great Houses.



I think the two biggest possible turmoils were both overcome by the Nerevarine and the CoC. Heroes, not Kings.




A nice as that may sound, I don't think the Empire can be synthesized into Dunmeri culture. I think the Empire underestimates the pious fervour for independance the Dunmer people have always wanted. Morrowind's had a taste of soup de Empire, and the Dunmeri didn't like it.



The Imperials don't. Incompatability much?



I'm sure the Dunmer will love that. The Dunmeri being a people who've been living under a theocratic oligarchy of Living Gods for the past 4000 years, and whose ancestors migrated across the entire continent for reasons arising from religious scruples.



Ancestor and Hearth worship has always been there. The Tribunal embraced all aspects of the past and did not eradicate it. Vivec says so himself, the Dunmer will go back to Daedra worship and the ancestors. (Not only to say that, but the Tribunal Temple saw the Daedra AS the ancestors of the Dunmer)



Yes. As I said, killing Helseth would have had little impact in wake of the Nerevarine. Just as Llethan died and Helseth came to the throne, someone else would have come to the throne after Helseth. I'd put more money than no money on that person being better than Helseth.

I think you misread my post Hyamentar. What I wanted is that Morrowind becomes independant, but that it embraces certain parts of the Empire's culture (freedom of trade, speech and religion), while not forgetting the past. I want the dunmer culture to become a merger of both cultures.
Like Vivec said:

I heard you, but I've always doubted how much the Dunmer can, as a people intergrate with the Empire. It will always be that, the empire trying to intergrate the Dunmer, not the Dunmer intergrating themselves into the Empire. There are, obviously benefits to being an ally to the Septim Empire, but, as ever, being an ally to the Septim Empie is often being a slave to it, if you aren't strong enough that is... Or don't happen to have a couple of angry gods in your backyard.

Part of the intricacy of the story is that each group of people have a different interpretation of what you are and will do, not merely what you did. And each believes what it wants to believe, mainly.

Personally, I tend to side with Helseth in the Tribunal MQ. For several reasons:

1. Helseth hired assassins to kill the Nerevarine. Almalexia founded zealots to [successfully] kill the Nerevarine. Or whoever claims to be the Nerevarine.
2. Helseth stops trying to kill the Nerevarine. Almalexia never gave up at it.
3. Captain Delitian seems like a better guy than Fedris Hler.
4. Helseth was training a goblin army under Mournhold. Almalexia was unleashing a fabricant army upon Mournhold.
5. Helseth supposedly poisoned King Llethan. Almalexia supposedly poisoned Nerevar.

But that's just me.

Oki doki.

But what do you mean by the first?



I, personally liked Mrs Madgod becuase she gives you one of the best swords in the game and "skin like iron"

False Incarnates, as soon as someone appeared to be the Nerevarine our dear friends the Ordinators would track them down and "put the boots to 'em", so to speak. Also, don't forget the fact that the Ordinators are Almalexia's.

Not all the time though. Most of "nearlys" were killed when they tried to touch the Ring of the Moon and Star.

Actually, I got the impression that those were the more talented ones, who got to the Cave of the Incarnate. The others were hunted down by the Ordinators.

Then they weren't talented.

ZING! :rofl:

But yeah, excluding the *cough* talented potential Nerevarines, Almalexia had their heads busted in with those ebony maces.

They needed to put more points in the "Stay Away From Religious Zealot" skill.

Just like the Kennedys killing were never 'proven'. They were just as real as Teddy getting shot in front of a crowds of people. Helseth definitely killed off the other successors, because if someone else was doing it, why wouldn't they finish the job? Unless, of course, some guiding hand beyond obvious sight wished him to ascend the throne? In which case, The Nerevarine would be closely watched while near Helseth, indeed.

Unlike Kennedy, King Llethan was an old man who was ill for some time. Not to mention that the coroners ruled that he died a natural death. I'm not saying that Helseth didn't kill him, but there isn't even enough evidence to be sure that a murder even occurred.

The arguement would work better if Teddy was ever shot. Jack and Bobby were both shot and killed. And noone doubts that they were shot and killed. Jack's has a shroud of doubt over it, but it's all very confusing. Bobby was killed by Sirhan Sirhan, no doubt. There are really no connections. There were no other succesors, and the one he was accused of killing was old and sick. It is very possible that he died of natural causes.

I don't see how you criticise the Tribunal for hunting Nerevarines when Helseth did exactly the same to the real Nerevarine.

We're not criticizing him as much pointing out that Almalexia's Ordinators has been doing the same thing, for a much longer time.

I'm sure Helseth would have done so for the same length of time if he was a god.
I think you're forgetting that the Empire also helped in hunting down the Nerevarines, and outlawed the cult.

And then the Empire found someone the could use, and supported the "actual" Nerevarine. Vivec did the same. And so did Helseth. And I believe so did Azura. They found someone that they could support as Nerevarine, and he became the Nerevarine.

And my comment that you commented on before was a joke (not a particularly good one).

They did not outlaw the cult; the Temple did. By the terms of the armistice, the Legion could not interfere with the Temple's persecution of the Nerevarine Cult. Not to mention that if it weren't for the Empire, the Nerevarine Prophecy might never have been fulfilled.

Still, double standards. You can hide behind the gracious humilities of the Nine all you want, but you and your Helseth King are both profane and Telvanni in both essence and action.



The Empire outlawed the cult becuase it prophesied the removal of the outlanders from Morrowind. (That's an understatement. It really prophesies the glorious victory of the Dunmer people over the outlander invaders and unification of a great Dunmer nation, heralding the return to the Old Ways and the Ancestors.) You speak to anyone in Morrowind and they'll say the same thing. What isn't said is; "The Empire has outlawed the Nerevarine cult as well, but they're all very guilty and terribly sorry about it."

The Tribunal Temple outlawed the cult becuase it could upset and corrupt the faith which they needed to keep the Dunmer united against Dagoth Ur. Think what you may about it being simple ashlander propaganda, the Nerevarine Prophecies are innately ashlander, coming from the womb of the ashlands itself. The Empire agreed; the Nerevarine prophecy is not good for the empire in Morrowind.

Just becuase the Emperor does a thing, does not mean the morality and ethics of all his subjects will follow suit.



If it wasn't for the Emperor, the Nerevarine might not have made it to Morrowind when he did. The Nerevarine still would have, prophecy dictates it, just not the way that it happened.



I know.

Accusations will get you nowhere. And everyone knows Helseth is a Hlaalu in both essence and action.

The Nerevarine Prophecies never mentioned driving the Imperials out; the ashlanders made that part up. And don't forget, the Empire sent a peaceful missionary to the most hostile and outlander-hating of ashlander camps; if they wanted to get rid of them, they'd have done it by now. And the Legion (and any other non-Dunmer) said that they think its just harmless superstition. And in Morrowind, they mention that the Empire cannot interfere with the Temple's persecution of the Nerevarine Cult.

Accusations? No... Just poignant observance. Poignant enough to make you object to them.



The ashlanders made up the Nerevarine prophecies. Primarily, they're ashlandic things.



The Legions haven't got one fort north of Gnisis nor east of Sadrith Mora, and not the Redoran-tamed ashlands either. North of Maar Gan, and similarly with Molar Mar, it's pure desolation. The fact that they've only had access to Vvardenfell for a few decades seems to suggest contrary to them being able to crush the ashlanders "if they wanted to."



If it's harmless susperstition then why does the Empire outlaw it? And why would they object, or try to interfere with the surpression of a idea that opposes them anyway?

It's because you make a baseless comment. Try backing up more of your "observations" with evidence.

The ashlanders didn't make the prophecies up; they received them, presumably from Azura. But then they conveniently "lost" some of the prophecies and twisted the meaning of the others. But you don't make up prophecies. Unless you're MK.

The fact that an unarmed missionary who "couldn't escape from his shirt" was sent to Molag Amur, and made it there with minimal trouble, suggests that the Legion could have easily gone to the same camp and wiped them out if they needed. The legion is not confined to small areas around their forts.


They didn't outlaw it; the Temple did. Remember that Morrowind makes its own laws, not the Empire. And if they did, according to you, they wouldn't have been able to do anything about it. Personally, I think that they received orders not to attack them somewhere along the line, in order to pave the way for the Blades' plans.