So why does nobody call the continent 'Arena' anymore?

Post » Mon May 07, 2012 12:48 pm

At the opening of Elder Scrolls: Arena it was said that the Elvish name 'Tamriel' was eventually forgotten and all the people of the Empire had taken to calling their world 'Arena'. I've played through Morrowind and Oblivion, but never heard this mentioned to my knowledge, and Tamriel is used a lot.

Is this just retcon or is there actual spoiler-based events in earlier games to explain this?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:08 pm

Probably just retcon.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:56 pm

It was something to cover up the fact that Arena was originally going to be an arena game, but they made a decision after it had been named to make it open-world. It would have looked stupid to be called Arena and encompass an entire continent, so they changed the world's name to Arena.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:55 pm

From wikipedia:

Initially, Arena was not to be a classic RPG at all. The player, and a team of his fighters, would travel about a world fighting other teams in their arenas, until the player became "grand champion" in the world's capital, the Imperial City.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Arena#cite_note-ARBTS-4 Along the way, side quests of a more role-playing nature could be completed. As the process of development progressed, however, the tournaments became less important, and the side quests more so.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Arena#cite_note-TEDDERS-3 RPG elements were added to the game, as the game expanded to include the cities outside the arenas, and dungeons beyond the cities.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Arena#cite_note-ARBTS-4 Eventually, it was decided to drop the idea of tournaments altogether, and focus on quests and dungeons,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Arena#cite_note-TEDDERS-3 on making the game a "full-blown RPG".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Arena#cite_note-ARBTS-4 The original concept of arena-combat had never made it to the coding stage, and so few artifacts from that era of development remain: the game's title, and a text file with the names of fighting teams from every large city in Tamriel, and a brief introduction for them.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Arena#cite_note-6 The concept of traveling teams was eventually left aside as well, because the team's decision to produce a first-person RPG had made the system somewhat less fun.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Arena#cite_note-ARBTS-4
Although the team had dropped arena-combat from the endgame, because all the material had already been printed up with the title, the game went to market as The Elder Scrolls: Arena. The team http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retcon the idea that, because the Empire of Tamriel was so violent, it had been nicknamed the Arena. It was actually Bethesda's founder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Weaver who came up with the name of "The Elder Scrolls,""http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Arena#cite_note-TEDDERS-3 the description of which eventually came to mean "Tamriel's mystical tomes of knowledge that told of its past, present, and future."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Arena#cite_note-ARBTS-4 The game's initial http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice-over was changed in response, beginning: "It has been foretold in the Elder Scrolls..."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Arena#cite_note-TEDDERS-3
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:14 pm

I like it being called Arena. "Tamriel" could as well be Faer?n, Hyrule, Melniboné, Númenor... but calling it the Arena evokes a certain something for me.

I can picture heroes and wizards and kings and monsters arrayed as if on a wargames table, with the spirits and demons hunched over it readying their dice and the poor Aedra holding up the board with varying degrees of patience.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:28 pm

Nirn (the planet) means "Arena" now, while Tamriel has been relegated to continent status.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:56 pm

I'll never understand how an arena game turned into an open world RPG. But anyway, I think it was called arena back then because Jagar Tharn was in charge, making things dangerous for everyone. When Uriel came back, I think he tried to stop people saying "arena" as it would imply his empire was weak.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:09 am

I do recall in an interview, or maybe misinterpreting that earlier post, that by the time they got everything down, "The Elder Scrolls" was added last minute to the final cover for Arena.

Funny; in a weird twist, when some complaints say that TES is losing its RPG status, it originally was never an RPG. Whodathunkit
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:02 am

Why do you think your world has always been contested ground, the arena of powers and immortals? It is Tamriel, the realm of Change, brother to Madness, sister to Deceit.
Mankar Camoran in Oblivion.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:23 pm

At the opening of Elder Scrolls: Arena it was said that the Elvish name 'Tamriel' was eventually forgotten and all the people of the Empire had taken to calling their world 'Arena'. I've played through Morrowind and Oblivion, but never heard this mentioned to my knowledge, and Tamriel is used a lot.

Is this just retcon or is there actual spoiler-based events in earlier games to explain this?
For the same reason the Blizzard devs call the whole planet Azeroth when it used to be the name of a single kingdom.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:09 pm

Hmmm I thought "Mundus" translated to Arena in some language (probably Elven, or Ehlonfey)
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:46 am

Hmmm I thought "Mundus" translated to Arena in some language (probably Elven, or Ehlonfey)
It's Latin for "world" or "universe", which is what I'm assuming Bethesda got it from originally (back when TES wasn't a fully established universe and had a lot of generic elements).
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:45 pm

And by calling something mundane, you're calling it worldly, realistic, non-fantastical. Etymology is fun.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:51 pm

I do recall in an interview, or maybe misinterpreting that earlier post, that by the time they got everything down, "The Elder Scrolls" was added last minute to the final cover for Arena. Funny; in a weird twist, when some complaints say that TES is losing its RPG status, it originally was never an RPG. Whodathunkit

And they only recently began to actually implement the Elder Scrolls into the games.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:12 pm

I'll never understand how an arena game turned into an open world RPG.
Well from what I understand, they were going to make it so you would be traveling around the continent to different arenas in different provinces to do battle. Then I suppose somewhere along the line somebody said "Well what if you you could walk around the town", and then "Well what if you can talk to the people in the town", and then that then leads to "Well then what if they actually give you quests, and you can go visit dungeons, and explore endless wilderness". And then it just keeps going from there until you have a completely different game that doesn't even have proper arenas in it!
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:31 pm

Well from what I understand, they were going to make it so you would be traveling around the continent to different arenas in different provinces to do battle. Then I suppose somewhere along the line somebody said "Well what if you you could walk around the town", and then "Well what if you can talk to the people in the town", and then that then leads to "Well then what if they actually give you quests, and you can go visit dungeons, and explore endless wilderness". And then it just keeps going from there until you have a completely different game that doesn't even have proper arenas in it!
And now in certain quasi-dimensional reverse-growth Eggs, multiples of people battle endlessly through aether-umbilicals in Arenas. Theirs are the battles of avatars and numbers made letters. Many are their names and more are their insults.
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