The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

I think Bethesda likes too keep some things the same (e.g openworld/lore), but make every game not the same as the last.
Also there has been a huge gap since Morrowind and Skyrim and the gaming market has changed.


Skyrim was made for everybody to play, while Morrowind was made for the more hardcoe.

In terms of logic, Morrowind has to be the best thought out game of the series. Just about every feature (with the exception of dice roll combat, meh) makes sense to be there and doesn't feel gimped. Like guild ranks, requirements, starting with small quests when your a low rank, SUPERBLY thought out story.

...However, as a game to play (vanilla here) Skyrim is my preferred game. Graphics and combat, voice acting just make me want to put my time more into that. I would actually give Skyrim
10/10 for world design, yes i know it's uncool to praise the modern games, but i feel all the environments are well done.

when i was young, i used to get scared to walk outside of towns in morrowind at night it just felt so awesome this game i really miss it.. i want to install it again but the animations keep driving me away, i couldn't care less about the graphics.

Morrowind is a fantasy adventure game full of weird and wonderful new things to discover and based loosely on old school role playing games on the pc.
Skyrim is a hack and slash game made for the "new generation" looking for blood, gore and half dressed women and based on market research as to what the average teen wants to play on their xbox

...and that's why they don't feel the same.

Suddenly all becomes clear now... Before this, I never understood what they were doing in those speed run videos, and how. Thanks for that post!

Jinix the Elder just put out my own cynical/sociological/whatever view, and in very compact form at that. Nothing to add!

Except that I'm wondering... where are the limits? How much cleaner, more beautiful and bigger can everything get? Or does our pop culture just have to change this "new-meaning-of-the-word-epicness-but-in-easy-linear-format" paradigm into something else at some point as they can't go over their previous achievements anymore? I can't see Shore/Zimmer/Soule and the like still topping their previous masterpiece works for that long anymore. Generally speaking... for me, this current reigning style has already "automaticalized" years ago. I don't know why it hasn't to most people. It's always been a tendence in any form of pop culture to replace the repetative style that's been going on for too long. Might those times be coming soon? I don't really see any signs. There are alternatives, but mainly they're not consistant between each other. (Except in music where "alternative British pop/rock" quickly even became a genre of its own, completely opposite to what it first was meant to be. *sigh* Same has happened to "progressive metal", for example. How can anything that calls itself "progressive" have recognizable repeating features with other acts that call themselves "progressive"?)

the tes games have evolved... skyrim is an action rpg, without micromanagement and with a faster gameplay. comparing morrowind and skyrim doesn't seem right, because its two different pairs of shoes.
skyrim is an excellent game. morrowind is brilliant <3

Arena, Daggerfall and Morrowind were completely different to anything on the market, completely original in concept and out of left field. With Daggerfall and Morrowind they completely utilised their niche and made specialised games for a relatively small fanbase. The difference in critical acclaim and sales between Daggerfall and Morrowind shows that the games were making their own fanbase despite not really appealing to the computer game market, they were made entirely on the develepors vision.

With Oblivion, instead of trying to further expand the fanbase they had begun to build they decided to make the game a little bit more like everything else, this worked to a certain extent and made TES one of the biggest titles around and made the combat aspect of the game better as a result. This gave Bethesda an oppurtunity to go back to their original concepts and build a bigger fanbase than ever before, unfortunately they continued the trend started in Oblivion and decided to trade in their old fanbase for a bigger one and made Skyrim even less unique and more like every other game. Don't get me wrong, it is a great game, better than most others. But when I play it it feels like it was being made as a computer game. When I played Morrowind, Daggerfall and to a lesser extent Oblivion I feel like the game was made as a world.

Despite Skyrim being the least static and most "alive" world it is bland and less interactive than before.

the thing that i hate the most about skyrim and oblivion is the console like interface... i tried to play oblivion but couldn't because of the interface. the inventory is a total disaster.
skyrim is a bit better at that... the interface is a bit better, and the fact that there is a lot less micromanagement also helps at that. but stil...

http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3863

nice indeed... that's a lot better.

I've got morrowind on my pc and skyrim on my 360, I would love to dive into morrowind but for some reason I suffer frame rate drops...still have not figured out whats causing it.

pc spec

hp
amd athlon 2 quad core
6 ddr3 ram
nividia 9100 (intergrated yes svcks)
win 7 64 bit
1 tera hdd

I would dive into elderscrolls 3 if I could solve the frame rate problem i got

I'd reccomend using the Tech help forum.

Those specs are more then good enough though. So it's not your hardware capabilities that's causing the problem.

I've been playing Skyrim for nearly 90 hours total, and I still have a sense of amazement with it. I've hardly scratched the surface, and I don't think I ever will. Not because I don't play it, but because it's such a massive and amazing game. Though I am not very happy with Bethesda ATM, I love the Elder Scrolls games to no end, and anyone who tries to tell me that they're "not as good as Morrowind" would be best to walk away. I love Morrowind, but I think that Oblivion and Skyrim have advanced on the epicness of Morrowind. Morrowind always is special to me, since it was my first TES game, but I don't think it is nearly as good as Oblivion or Skyrim.

Exactly!I spent a lot of time yesterday looking for some cave (I started my search in the morning) and all I knew was that it's east of some town.It was really hidden and when looking for it, I discovered some other interesting places.It was a real nice gaming experience and I felt like I accomplished something when I finally found the cave and it was already getting dark (in game).

Pretty much, yes. gamesas has always followed a practice of responding to reactions over previous ES games with shifts of direction in some sub-game systems. Daggerfall was heavily into randomized but pre-generated things: guild quests and dungeons, in particular. The number of each wasn't very high, and if you didn't like the quest you received in a guild, you could literally just reload before getting it for one of the others to pop up. No real sense of progression, and a creeping sameness, though in other respects, Daggerfall was a fantastic title.

Morrowind has very particular NPCs handing out quests in each guild, often with a private agenda. There is a sense of progression both in the way those NPCs deal with you, and within the guild. In addition, most cave/cavern/dungeons inhabitants were individually made. Not to say that they were necessarily huge or complex, but each of the 600+ places like this had some kind of subplot or activity going on that determined what you'd face; and most of it was non-scaled to the PC. If you entered, you took your chances. This gives Morrowind a unique sense of being in a reality, to me. Where the enemies regenerate in Oblivion and Skyrim--something I never could accept; seems maybe your last foe put an ad in a paper to get friends to show up, I suppose--once they're gone in Morrowind, they're gone for good unless plot-related events determine otherwise. You never know what waits around the bend of the road.

Skyrim does have a lot of places to visit if you walk around, and a few (but not many) have subplots in progress. I find the absence of many potions and spells from earlier in the lore and ES series, the very small towns, the lack of spellmaking, the bizarre UI, much against my grain. Still, there's a great deal of meat there. At this point I'm waiting for the CK and will check out Skyrim again in about 6 months. Morrowind still entertains greatly, with so much detail.

Thread derailing, flame-bait posts and responses went away. If people are in the Morrowind forum, discussing why they like Morrowind a LOT, that is what the forum is here for. I happen to love Skyrim - possibly as much as I ever loved Morrowind and Oblivion, and The Witcher, and Dragon Age Origins... but if I am reading a forum about a specific game, I don't feel a need to lecture or scold people for talking about what they think is better in that particular game.

I have had to shut down "Morrowind is awesome-r" threads in the Skyrim section, because it definitely had a trollish feel to it. But if folks are in the Morrowind section talking about why they think the game is the best, then you don't get to come in to the Morrowind SECTION and tell them no one wants to hear Morrwind this, Morrowind that.

having said all that - I have said before and will say again - I take each game I play on its own merits. I don't play Skyrim longing all the time for another game. Are there things I miss from MW, and even Oblivin? Sure. Are there things in Skyrim I think are fantastic and wish had been in past games, sure... Does not affect how much I just love Skyrim, nor does it diminish the pleasure I had from playing Morrowind.

For me, Oblivion is not a game to be played fast at all. I can spend so many hrs just walking around, exploring and enjoying the scenery. Something I just can′t do in Morrowind.

That said, I agree with Leydenne. Two different games, two different stories and both good in their own ways. I do enjoy Morrowind as well as Oblivion, but in another way.

I only said that I think that it's a bit ridiculous that people are acting like "Morrowind is the best game in the world - any future TES games automatically are crap", when Skyrim hasn't even been out long enough for them to know if it's a bad game. I love Morrowind, I think it is a great game, but I get irritated by people just assuming that no game will ever compare to it. THAT was my point. :\

Well, people get their favorites and will defend them no matter what comes out after it. Some defend them harder than others to the point that it gets, as you say, ridiculous, but pay no attention to those and you′ll be fine

I've also seen people who claim to have already put an ungodly amount of time into Skyrim--not surprising, seeing as it's been out for two months. So it's quite possible for people to have played it a great deal, and decided it wasn't for them.

As for the "no game will ever equal X!" approach, that's somebody else's opinion. I've seen cheerleaders in everything over the years, who will tell you The One True Game can never be equaled. So what? As my wife's deceased aunt used to say, "Each to their own, said the little old lady as she kissed her cow." It doesn't hurt me if someone has a political or religious opinion that differs from mine, so I could care less. And I put a lot less personal investment of self in a game, than in either of those.

It's not just an opinion when people are like that - it's both an opinion AND immaturity.

I'd have to say that one reason you see a lot of immaturity on the forums is that many of the people posting here are actually "immature," in the non-pejorative sense of the word. As in "young," which can also mean they're inexperienced, idealistic, enthusiastic, and perhaps a bit impulsive.

With maturity comes the understanding that other people can't be made to agree with one, and that we're all responsible for our own behavior (and that our own bad behavior always comes back to bite us in the end. ) With maturity, we also come to realize that our own judgments are not really as "carved in stone" as we might have thought, and that over time, our opinions do often change.

It's been my experience that mature people know when to pick their fights.

Alright, Glargg, Mr Hypothetical.

@Fable - That's true, and this is a time when people need to realize that there IS another game out there that has barely been touched, because there's a lot of immaturity by the Morrowind zealots, who try to convince everyone that Skyrim and Oblivion are crap. Like I've said before, I don't mind them voicing their opinion, but when they start going around saying that any future TES games are automatically crap compared to Morrowind, THAT'S what irritates me. I wish people would listen more often. -.-