Why don't the Thalmor recognize Talos?

Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:48 am

Ok, the legend of Talos is that he was once man, but became divine after conquering Tamriel. The Thalmor - who find such apotheosis to be impossible and absurd, even straight-up blasphemous - refuse to recognize Talos as a god, which is the "official" reason that the White Gold Concordat bans the worship of Talos.

But, how can they possibly not recognize Talos as a God? In the real world, the legitimacy of a deity is mostly the subject of faith. Any actual evidence of a god's existence is mostly restricted to ancient texts and the accounts of supposed witnesses.

However, in Tamriel, the Gods are active, known public figures. They directly involve themselves in the mortal world. You go and pray at their altars, and you immediately get a real, tangible, direct material benefit. Sometimes, the Gods will even directly speak to mortals, giving weapons, armor, and reusable soul gems as rewards for favors.

In Oblivion, there was a popular user mod called "The Lost Spires," and one of the archeologists in that mod was curious about this ancient culture who worshiped some Gods, despite there being no proof that those Gods even existed. In other words, since the existence of gods in this universe are just as much a physically observable phenomenon as my sword in your face, the actual lack of such evidence is genuinely startling.

With Talos, we have just as much observable confirmation of his divinity as we do with any other Tamrielic god. Go and pray at his altar, and you get a temporary reduction in Thu'um recharge time. You can get all your diseases cured by praying there, just like with any other shrine of the original Eight Divines. Two hundred years ago, Martin Septim was able to obtain the "essence" of an Aedra by using Talos' blood, something that would only be possible if Talos was, in fact, an Aedra.

So... how is it that the Thalmor don't recognize Talos as a God? Are they really so arrogant that they can't see two feet in front of them and see that proof of his divinity literally litters Tamriel?
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:44 am

Because he's a Man who happened to beat the Aldmeri Dominion before.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:02 am

Because he's a Man who happened to beat the Aldmeri Dominion before.
With a giant optimums prime/god mecha.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:44 am

the thalmor are jealous of the Great and Mighty Talos.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:28 am

I regonize Jesus but i dont regonize Talos because he is human, i dont think humans deserve to be Gods, Jesus was son of allmighty God but Talos isnt son of allmighty God.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:02 am

I regonize Jesus but i dont regonize Talos because he is human, i dont think humans deserve to be Gods, Jesus was son of allmighty God but Talos isnt son of allmighty God.
he may not be the son of god but he deserves his place as the 9th
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:58 am

I regonize Jesus but i dont regonize Talos because he is human, i dont think humans deserve to be Gods, Jesus was son of allmighty God but Talos isnt son of allmighty God.
Talos isnt human. Talos is a god made up of zurin,wulfhart and Tiber septim/Hjalti
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:26 am

Long story short. Talos as you may know used to be a mortal-like (not really) Emperor beloved by many. When he ruled with strong fist he kicked the butts of the old Aldmeri Dominion with Dwarven weapons many many many centuries ago. So now that he's a big deal and Thalmor are a bit jelly of him so they don't want the humans to warship him.
On side note I love Talos and HATE any race different than the human race. I say kill these ugly creatures the Elves! :@
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:15 pm

Talos isnt human. Talos is a god made up of zurin,wulfhart and Tiber septim/Hjalti

Zurin...Zurin Arctus? Talos's Battlemage? The Underking?
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:59 am

Yeah, Talos was always a shezzarine. The enantiomorph just assured such a notion.
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Post » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:51 pm

Because Talos is evil and racist monster who don't deserve to be a god?
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:32 am

I regonize Jesus but i dont regonize Talos because he is human, i dont think humans deserve to be Gods, Jesus was son of allmighty God but Talos isnt son of allmighty God.
That's because Talos didn't need to be the son of a Divine, or whatever. Belief = Power, on Mundus.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:28 am



Zurin...Zurin Arctus? Talos's Battlemage? The Underking?
Yes.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:51 am

Because Talos is evil and racist monster who don't deserve to be a god?
Congratulations, you've just described the Thalmor.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:10 am

The Thalmor do recognize Talos as a god. They wouldn't be working so hard to weaken him if they didn't. Other than a few Nords and imperials, they're the true believers.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:48 am

Yes.

...How can Talos be made of him, or partially of him, if they lived in the same time, were presumably allies, and the Underkings ghost still present way after Talos's...Ascension, or whatever you wanna call it?
...God, people have been reading MK's BS again.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:48 pm

So you're telling me heroes deserve to be treated as gods, sweet when do I get my palace?
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:22 am

...How can Talos be made of him, or partially of him, if they lived in the same time, were presumably allies, and the Underkings ghost still present way after Talos's...Ascension, or whatever you wanna call it?
...God, people have been reading MK's BS again.
Enantiomorph.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:49 am

Shrines to the Tribunals do the same thing. They are all very very powerful. They all made themselves gods using enchantments and the heart. Really you could make a shrine work by just putting a soul gem in it and a cure disease spell.

And Martin's blood could be because of the dragonborn gift which runs in the Septim bloodline. None of this proves Talos is a god.

Now I always play Dunmer so I could care less either way. But the Thalmor can deny it, they have, and they have a LOT of political reasons to deny him. The main political reason being that making the Empire deny him upsets Nords and started a civil war.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:24 am

On Nirn you can be a god just by paying people to worship you.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:14 am

Enantiomorph.
...Sigh...I'm going to regret asking this...
...What the [censored] is an Enantiomorph?
For some reason it makes me think of Max from Sam & Max (Lagomorph)
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:29 am

Yeah, Talos was always a shezzarine. The enantiomorph just assured such a notion.
Explain that please. I never understood the enatiomorph.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:26 am

Because Talos is evil and racist monster who don't deserve to be a god?

Haha racist and evil I think your talking about the thalmor

The elves are just to ignorant to the fact that there not the superior race so they get all jelly over a god being human and tiber septim obviosly deserved to be a god or they wouldnt of chose him
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:49 pm

...Sigh...I'm going to regret asking this...
...What the [censored] is an Enantiomorph?
For some reason it makes me think of Max from Sam & Max (Lagomorph)
The Three In One, the Apotheosis of Talos.
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Post » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:58 am

The Three In One, the Apotheosis of Talos.
...
You people really love this [censored] don't you...?
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