When was Shadow of Mordor released? Was that a 2015 game?

Fallout 4 is great and I'm enjoying it, but for me The Witcher 3 is the game of the year (which is an odd thing to say as BGS has been my favorite developer since Morrowind).

My biggest gripe with this game, even though I love some of the improvements such as the shooting, crafting, power armor, settlements, companions, voiced protagonist, etc., is that it just doesn't feel like much of a leap over Fallout 3. It's still very much a BGS game, so I will invest hundreds of hours into it and get lost, but it really feels more like a tweaked and polished Fallout 3 than a "next gen BGS open world game" as Todd Howard was advertising it as.

I think returning issues such as bad companion AI, frequent load screens, awkward animations, and just dated visuals (post processing is good but textures are hideous) are things BGS really needs to address. I'm really enjoying my time in the Commonwealth Wasteland, but it's just not mind-blowing or anything that really blew me away like Oblivion did after Morrowind (in terms of technology and features). This felt more like a leap from Oblivion to Skyrim on the same generation of hardware rather than a step to a completely new generation of hardware and gameplay to match it. A solid game, but probably not game of the year. Certainly, it's not game of the decade.

Is this for real? I never really paid attention to the numbers but that's significant, esepecially how the media was crowing over TW3 sales during the first few weeks.

I'd say it's a 8/10 game. The side quests were enjoyable and is something other games should learn from. But the main one was meh, and the rest of the game, while very graphically polished, just wasn't that interesting to explore after the initial impression. Map is huge but most places look and feel the same, and you are only looking for a few places of interest: monster nest, bandit camp, treasure chest.

I just googled sales for both W3 and F4.

Being only that we are just finishing the first half of the 2010's I can't say that at all. I think it's MY favorite game I've played so far. I see a lot of people really enjoying it on my social media. I haven't seen any of my friends ever mention TW3 or MGSV, which says something to me personally. In the end, it doesn't matter to me how many awards a game wins, if I enjoy playing it more than others, it wins to me.

Anyone mentioning GTAV must not have been playing from the beginning. It was super buggy at launch and the online component was even unusable for most the first 2+ weeks into it's launch. Not to mention their lengthy wait for the sub par heists. I love the game overall but it has plenty of issues.

People need to stop claiming Witcher 3 is a good RPG. No, it is not, not unless you want to play some boring stereotypical muscle-bound guy. That's why it has limited sales, as many people have posted here - many people simply couldn't care less about Geralt so any of the Witcher stuff is of no interest. It would be like playing a Star Wars game and being forced to play only Luke Skywalker - that's not a role playing game, folks.

Fallout 4 is simply another great entry in BGS' lineup, specifically from Todd and his team. No other team does worlds as good as they do and that is a critical component of any RPG.

It's unfortunate that they do not have appealing character aesthetics and their stories are good but not top of the line. However, with their open and full support of modding, no other studio can do what they do. Bioware has tried but falls far short of the kind of open worlds that BGS develops and no other company supports modding so strongly.

But sells are different from shipped right? Fallout shipped 15 millon but didn't sell that much

Someone disagrees with you and you call them a troll? You do realize your right to post on this forum guarantees my right to disagree with you.

I love Fallout 4 and I'll probably spent 200-300 hours in the game. I don't regret buying it. I will buy all the DLC for the game as I've done for every Bethesda game since Oblivion.

Fallout 4 does what Bethesda does best. Open world, beautifully created. But there's more to a great game (a game that meets the standard of "best game ever') than a beautifully crafted open world. And this is where Bethesda stumbles a bit.

Fallout 4 suffers from the very things that other Bethesda games suffer from: bad writing (yes, one reviewer even said Fallout 4 was "too stupid" to be game of the year), one of the most annoying UIs ever made for a video game (no really, you have used the crafting interface, right? How any clicks does it take to add something to a gun?), and bad quest implementation (logic and common sense are not Bethesda's strong suit).

But in the end, that's not why I play Fallout 4. And I'll enjoy the game even with those problems. But "Game of Year"? No.

In fact, I think it would be good if Bethesda lost that crown on this game. Maybe it would be wake-up call to the company to realize not everything Todd Howard makes is "the best thing ever!!!" Maybe a reevaluation of their game design would be benefit all players who buy their games.

But if none of that happens, that's cool, too. I'll keep buying their games. But I'm not going to lie about how good they are. It's like having a bad boyfriend - you can tell yourself he's the best thing ever but deep down you know exactly what he is.

xD. I didn't check the dictionary when I wrote that but after checking the word, I'm lucky the word can be used as an adjective - to describe the nature of hyperbole. ^^

It's either GTA5 or Shadow or Mordor so far imo.

Would've and should've been my GOTY, but that goes to Witcher 3 now because of Bethesda's knack for stripping away the intricate details of their RPGs. Fallout 4, with its new perk system and dialogue system, only contains traces of the RPG and character elements that the first two Fallouts (and first few Elder Scrolls games) introduced.

And it's the little things, like the woeful lack in weapon and armour variety (despite the amazing addition of modifications and gear with unique traits).

Having said that, I'm having a blast; the combat and exploration is so ridiculously fun. But I feel Bethesda took out so much of the RP out of the G, which is so crucial in Fallout.

Just because you do not care for Geralt does not mean others don't. I've been a fan of the series since the first game released on PC in 2007 and each new installment has improved the franchise in leaps and bounds.

Fallout 4 is a great and fun game, but it's safe for BGS. They are my favorite developer, but aside from a few new additions, this game doesn't exactly blow me away. The Witcher 3, on the other hand, improved on The Witcher 3 in almost every respect.

BioWare tried to emulate BGS open worlds with one game, DAI, so saying they "fall far short" is a bit ridiculous as they just began this trend. BioWare has never supported modding, so that's not even a fair comparison. CDPR, on the other hand, does support modding and they have been supporting it since TW1. They even released their own dev kit with TW2, which was widely popular.

CDPR isn't as popular as BGS currently because CDPR was PC-only until TW2 came out on Xbox 360 in 2012 and TW3 was multiplatform at release. However, CDPR is by far the fastest growing and most popular RPG newcomer in the industry, and they are definitely giving BGS a run for their money. BGS is looking a bit like the old guy passed his prime while CDPR looks like the new kid on the block. Hopefully, BGS will recognize the threat BioWare and CDPR are and learn from their games to better inform their next TES game. The voiced protagonist inclusion showed BGS is at least keeping an eye on BioWare and CPDR, but they need to do more.

That's correct. 15 million units shipped means nothing because that doesn't mean 15 million units were sold. We don't know exactly what the numbers are in terms of sales, other than the game was obviously high in demand. We'll have to wait and see once we actually know how well the game is actually doing.

Even though I'm not a fan of GTA, the game does have quite a resume under its belt. Just GTAV alone has broken all kinds of records including Guinness World records. The franchise has left an indelible mark not only in video games but also in pop culture, affecting even governments.

I love fallout,i love this fallout,but it is riddled with bugs,graphical issues(not the art style,i'm talking about bad textures,long load in,pop up)and parts of it feel unfinished.

It is not game of the year imo,it's in my top 5 though.I'd give it to the witcher 3.

I was pretty disappointed that they abandoned any efforts of extending the single player game and only focused on silly add on DLC for online. Even the Heists update seemed small in comparison to GTAIV's DLC

how are they giving Bethesda a run for thier money????????

Again Witcher 3 isnt that great game, yeah it look nice and all but the game isnt super heavy on the RPG. LOL Witcher 3 have a "similar" perk system, crafting is horrible, combat is bad. And for the love of god after u craft 1 potion u just make it from Alcohol for no reason. Anyway i will take the hate out and give it have a really nice writing but isnt that great, the main quest is just generic nothing new on it and the outcome from it is phatethic. Side quests is alot more fun that the main quest.

Reasonable minds may differ, but the success of the game shows that CDPR was able to effectively combine a well-crafted narrative with an open world experience for many. For decades, you either had an open world game with a crummy story or you had a great story-based game with lousy exploration. TW3 essentially combines the best aspects of BioWare games and BGS games, that's why it's a threat. That's also why this is great news for BGS, because it means they have to put more effort into their games to remain relevant. TW3 and DAI were directly inspired by Skyrim and both studios said so on a variety of occasions. It only makes sense that BGS starts borrowing from BioWare and CDPR, which they did with the voiced protagonist and dialogue wheel. BGS didn't do as grand of a job as they could have, but they are going in the right direction.

Actually, we do know the sales for Fallout 4 in the first 24 hours.

http://fortune.com/2015/11/16/fallout4-is-quiet-best-seller/

This statistic doesn't include the other hundreds of millions they've probably reaped from merchandise sales, either - but then again that stat doesn't really matter (nor does how many copies this game sold).

I like CDPR and Bethesda but I'm not gonna ride their bandwagon and start drawing lines in the sand over who's better. Witcher 3 is my GOTY because narratively it left a better impact, and the ending for Geralt really bowtied a wonderful journey, something the [censored] heads at Bioware struggled to do. Still, Witcher 3 is flawed in the gameplay department. The combat is frustrating (fights the user more) and the exploration suffers from the "Assassin's Creed" issue of dumping a [censored] load of question marks on the map in an attempt to make it seem like the land is worth exploring.

I see. Well, I don't have GTAV but I'm thinking of buying the retail pc version in January. I remember there were rumors during its release that GTAV might be the last GTA. I wonder if that is true.

ohhh plz god i hope they notice the dialogue wheel could be alot better. I really dont care about the voice, actually love it some times. But the dialogue wheel make me sad.

I think it is until the next set of consoles. I'm sure another Red Dead is coming before another GTA.

I am also a fan of the series, and I think the first one was the best. I also feel the same way as that poster, I was very disappointed at the lack of roleplaying options in TW3. Most of the dialogue choices were very similar. There are a couple of big decisions that you get to make, but overall it was a disappointment when compared to the hype. Equipment is almost useless once you found the right witcher gear for your build. The engine and open world is obviously the biggest improvement but it's still far from being a perfect game. I'm looking forward to the cyberpunk game as I feel they need a new IP to refresh some things.

This is misleading at best, and completely false at worst. The poor mod support was the final nail in the coffin and led to me uninstalling the game for good after beating it. People were talking about how it was going to be like Skyrim with both mod support and huge open world. The modding community conists of a small group of very hardcoe fans, I'd say even DA:I mods were better and more enjoyable and that game as you said had zero mod support.

As if OP. I suppose the excitement of the new release has clouded your mind a little, but everywhere you look FO4 is an 8ish game at best. Want Aj? Metacritic - which is an average of many reviews? Or Metacritic user scores - but oh wait, it's the haters who have rated it so low. I guess fallout 4 has many haters while TW3 and MGV (or even FF) don't.

Oh boy, that would be like in another 7-10yrs. ^^ Red Dead is another solid franchise of R*. I hope this time there's a pc version of it.