I know a lot of Europeans cry about Fallout not having a game based in Europe. And I know a lot of you wanted Fallout 4 to be in Poland or something. But let me make something clear right now for you. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. It would ruin the entire point of the game. This game is about the Fallout of a war between America and China, therefore it makes the most sense to be in at least one of those two countries. The whole story has to do with America and China's sins and the Fallout those living within those dead countries must now survive in. Or at least the American landscape. To take the game out of America, when the entire lore of Fallout is that of American origin, is foolish! To leave the US when there are so many states and places here in the US that have yet to be seen is simply, well, it just feels wrong. Maybe you have to be an American to understand, but every time I hear someone say they want to see Fallout in a European country, I just can't help but cringe at the notion, feeling it would ruin the entire point of the game. But not because Europe is boring but because it is relatively irrelevant. It is hard for me to explain. The war started with America, the main enemy of the last two main titles (the Enclave) is the last remnant of America's corrupt Federal govt., the main protagonists of the last game title and a reoccurring important faction (the brotherhood of Steel) started in America as ex- US military, all the worlds greatest technology started in America, the entire iconic fallout culture (music, buildings, cars, etc.) is distinctly American, the worst of the nuclear fallout is in America (and China), and as an American I simply wouldn't get the same emotional feeling I always get when I play the Fallout games. There is something about seeing the land you grew up in, the great monuments, the birthplaces of American freedom, the history, and all that once was, now a pile of nuclear rubble. The feeling that comes with seeing your once great nation, the face of the free-world, now a heap of trash and death, it's what truly makes Fallout what it is. Most Europeans would never understand. And THAT is why fallout will never leave the US. Not to mention the mass amounts of Americans they would lose as buyers of their game that feel the same as me. And I can tell you right now, the game would be ruined if it left US soil. Perhaps a DLC expansion that allows us to travel to another country would be cool to see. But to have the game's main title be placed in Europe would be a disaster. Face it Europeans, Fallout was made FOR Americans. You're just along for the ride.

Besides, think about all the places we haven't seen in the US yet! Texas, North or South Carolina, New York, Alabama, Georgia, Arizona, etc. etc. (even Canada would be cool to see) their is simply to much to explore here in the good ole' USA. P.S. Bethesda, I would like to see a Fallout game based in a Southern State, especially Texas. Maybe have some Neo-Confederates trying to rebuild the American Confederacy. (Please don't make them bad guys, that would be just ignorant to the true history of the South, to understand what I mean, look up the word "Neo-Confederate" and model them after that definition.) I can't imagine a greater enemy to the Enclave or whatever enemy you might create next than a bunch of Southerners who have hated the Federal Govt. for hundreds of years.

This is so wrong on so many levels.

The games are set in America because the Fallout artstyle and technology are based off 1950's american futurism.

The main enemy is NOT the Enclave. Fallout 1 it was the Master and his army of Super Mutants, Fallout 2 WAS the Enclave, Fallout Tactics was IIRC the Calculator and his machines, Fallout 3 was the Enclave again (but I think that was mostly Beth testing the waters with an older faction), and NV was either the NCR or the Legion.

In all but Fallout 3, the Brotherhood are NOT the good guys and can be described as morally grey at best. In all other games they were a smaller side faction of sorts (Fallout 3's Outcasts are what the REAL Brotherhood is like).

The war didn't really start in the USA. It started with WW2 and never really stopped. It *ended* when China and the US nuked eachother over the dwindling global resources. But the rest of the world got hit just as hard.

P.S. Don't use such a dim font color next time, and paragraphs are always nice. Reading that was a pain.

EDIT: I should clarify that I DON'T disagree with you that it's unlikely to be set elsewhere. What I DO disagree with is your argument as to why that is. I also removed a line that was uncalled for in hindsight

I know more than you think. I am going off where Bethesda last left off. All you said is true. But the way they last left off Fallout 3 kinda gives us an idea of what to expect in the East. Maybe I am wrong, maybe it will be a completely new enemy. But Boston, one of America's first colony states screams Enclave to me. The West is totally different from the east. Keep that in mind. The Brotherhood of Steel were not always good guys, but they were never bad guys. This is also true, but the Brotherhood of the West is all but destroyed by the NCR. So that leaves the Protagonist Brotherhood of the East. The Enclave is not the first enemy, but it is the most reoccurring enemy in the games. Except for New Vegas (which was made mostly by Obsidian) where they were also all but destroyed. Hence their archaic style Enclave power armor and their old age. Yes the Master and his super-mutant Army were the first enemy, but the master is dead, while the Enclave is still alive (but struggling). Not to mention Elder Lyons saying they must be vigilant for when the Enclave comes back, though it may not be for years. Don't assume I am ignorant to the lore. I am trying to explain why Fallout will never take place in Europe. What you said about 1950's American Futurism adds to my main point. If Fallout was moved out of the US it would ruin the very theme of the game! Not to mention that the worst of the Fallout itself is in America (and China). The game is CALLED Fallout for God's sake! Therefore it should take place where the Fallout is the worst. You can argue a game in China, but not Europe.

while I personally doubt that the serires will be taken to europe any time soon, it would be nice to see. My personaly recomendation to you on these forums though is to cool your jets a little because such an agressive/antagonistic tone is just going to get you into a flame war and probably banned. which isn't to say you can't state your opinions, but you should probably express them in a way that will get people to join in on a conversation with you rather than get in a fight with you.

Noted. Maybe I came off a little more, as you say, "antagonistic" than I meant too. Also, I think it would be nice to see Europe, as a DLC, not a main title.

Fallout isn't about "The Enclave vs The Brotherhood of Steel."

Is isn't about America either. America is dead and gone.

The whole world was locked in 1950s era mindset. True Americana has come to be a big part of Fallout. But if the game ever did leave North America it would still be set in the same 1950s era Universe, only with new factions, locations and so on.

But yeah I agree there is so much more of America left to see, including Canada which was apart of America and so many stories left to tell. If Fallout ever did leave I would hope it would be a new series set in the Fallout Universe only in Europe.

First off, I am an european. While it would be nice to have a fallout game taking place in Europe, I don′t see it happen. Not because Europe is boring or anything, but because of europe not really mattering when it comes to the world of Fallout and it′s former and present conflicts. China I think would be far more interesting. It could present another story on the war. Also, what happened to Chinese society after the bombs fell.

I think you get my point. And I actually agree with you. Europe isn't boring, it just wouldn't have the same feel.

Also at the risk of starting yet another thread about the Enclave still being around or not...

They aren't the omnipotent faction you think they are. The Enclave only ever existed on the Oil Rig in Fallout 2. They feared going on the mainland because they believed they would be contaminated. After several decades they discovered the mainland was populated by dangerous mutations and the leadership believed that in time their home (the Oil Rig) would be threatened. So they decided to act. Their plan was to build an outpost on the mainland, Navarro. There they would gather resources including FEV from Mariposa. With that they created a virus that they would release into the Jet Stream and kill all humanoid life on Earth. The Enclave protected themselves with a vaccine. But the Chosen One stopped their plan and destroyed the Oil Rig.

After the events of Fallout 2 what was left of the Enclave which was at Navarro split up. Some going to Raven Rock in DC and some stayed. Navarro later fell to the New California Republic.

Those heading to DC would have stopped in Chicago setting up a relay between Raven Rock and Navarro.

In Fallout 3 the Enclave try their last kick at the can and they lost. Destroyed twice. Raven Rock and then later in Broken Steel. So in short in Fallout 3 the Enclave were just remnants from Fallout 2 and after Fallout 3 they would only be remnants of remnants.

Neither are the Brotherhood of Steel. They started in California not long after the Great War. By the time of New Vegas they are on the losing end of the War with the NCR. Lyons and his people are but a small force, basically a chapter of the Brotherhood. The Midwestern Brotherhood would be their own faction and very much different from that the Brotherhood was/is.

I am aware, but we don't know ALL their movements, my point is the way they have set up the story line so far, it would not be unlikely Bethesda would use them as an Enemy once again. They could be stronger than previously believed, or as you said "remnants of remnants". And as for my comments at the end of the main post, it's just wishful thinking.

I really hope they don't use them again in any serious way.

The Enclave aren't in Fallout One and the Brotherhood of Steel aren't a big player in the game. They pretty much keep to themselves. In Fallout 2 the Enclave only show up at the end of the game and are defeated and the Brotherhood play a very insignificant part of the game. Fallout Tactics is a different group calling themselves the Brotherhood of Steel.

It was only Fallout 3 that made the Brotherhood of Steel and The Enclave out to be two grandiose factions locked in a battle of Good vs Evil winner takes all.

New Vegas has the two go back to what they really are, The Brotherhood a group dying out because they refuse to change and the Enclave being remnants.

We need new factions, new stories. Part of why people like the idea of Europe really. A chance to have a whole new universe of characters and factions set in the Fallout Universe.

There are theories that the Enclave in Chicago could be working with, or out our right joined with the Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel. So who knows on that front. But if that is the case I would hope the Enclave that joined have different plans then simply "kill everyone not us!"

Eh, I just stopped reading after the first sentence.

Thanks for dumping us all into the same category!

Why are you writing with that colour? You're not special, stop it.

Not all Europeans want it to be in Europe, you know.

It could be that it was copied and pasted.

Meh...I don't care WHERE it takes place...One blown up hole in the ground is just as worthy of poking around as another.

I'm surprised this isn't locked yet.

I, for one, am amazed this didn't start a political/patriotic dike-waving contest like it would've in the history forum I'm on.

That said, as much as I'd love to romp around Post-Apocalyptia UK or Australia (think of the mutated monstrosities there!!!) I think it's going to still be in America. As others said, the whole point is that the war was started between the US and China, so a game set in 2277 Paris, France would be...off-kilt ya know? The whole world suffered for it, yes, but the war was fought between the US and China near the end of The Resource Wars.

So modern day Australia

(poking fun at the dangerous animal stereotype, I quite like Australia)

Well, I'd say it would be fun to have one in Russia, but we already have the Metro games, and Russia is already kinda sorta a wasteland as is!

Hey, I like the Metro games! That's perfect for Russia, they should keep making those games.

But if it were set in Australia, then please, God, please let me fight a Deathclaw the size of Godzilla itself. PLEASE!! And the Brahmin can be replaced by two-headed wombats the size of horses and there would be spiders that would put the ones in Skyrim to shame. They'd be called Irradiated Spiders. The Vaults can be labled AUS-(insert number) to differ from the Canadian/British/New Zealand Vaults.

Maybe this PC comes from AUS-115, a vault all about survival and harsh brutality, which prepares him/her for survival in the Australian outback. Oh, and vehicles that were put together by scraps. And look crazy. The map? How 'bout the entire frickin' country?

Oh God, now I'm getting hyped.

Look, I doubt we will ever see a Fallout game set in Europe, but it is not totally beyond the realm of possibility.

But, if it does happen and if the good people at Bethesda Game Studios have not suddenly become candidates for permanent residence in a rubber room, it won't be a numbered Fallout.

Take for an example a Fallout setting in England. The smart choice would be to call it Fallout: London and everything implied by that name would hold. As in, it is contracted out to another studio, a BRITISH studio.

Why a British studio and not Bethesda Game Studios. If WE did it, there would be three marked locations on the map, Buckingham Palace, Big Ben and London Bridge. There would also be about 50 unmarked locations, all fish and chips stands. Unless one of the design team had actually vacationed in London. If that is the case there would be an additional marked location: Trafalgar Square with a statue of Robin Hood on top of the column in the center. >.<

Good point. It'd have to be called Fallout: and be made by a studio from the area the game is set.

I would love a fallout dlc thats overseas.

He's right, I did copy my own writing from another forum and posted it here. That's why the color was off. I fixed it now. I figured it was being wasted in the other forum and thought it would be viewed more in the actual Fallout 4 forum. And your right, not all europeans want it to be in Europe. But it feels that way some times. Every time I watch a fallout video made by a Brit, or read an article written by a European, it seems to always be "When will fallout be in a European country" or "I think Fallout 4 is in Poland, Germany, or Russia" yadda yadda yadda...It just started to make my skin crawl a little.

As DLC I wouldn't mind seeing the rest of the world.