Lets give them 10 more days , or until the first week of November, if we still don't get anything by then, then we will know something is wrong!

(continued).... but we'll buy the game nonetheless...

I want to see some PC footage. Played with keyboard and mouse.

We're getting the specs soon I think on the 14th (East Coast USA time not sure of the format might be EST)

So true :sadvaultboy:

I see.

But in reference to how they want to present there consoles and demonstrate a highly anticipated game in the future (such as Skyrim), there not marketing there system well.

If I had developed a console, and I was aware of opportunity to maket my system. Skyrim would be prime marketing. What is that famous word..."profit"


* Unless it is Sony's intentions to not present the PS3 (skyrim), and in a means of forcing the demonstration on the PS3 from the community pressure(You and many others). Well then that is a clever strategy. (No cost) Then that would make topics or discussions such as "Why is Skyrim not being shown on the PS3". Then it spreads like wildfire and the pressure gets pushed to Bethesda and it's up to them to respond or they could just ignore it. Not saying this is how it is, just another conjectural statement. (speculative sense)

No, they don't have an 'obligation' to show us anything.
Just as - I - have no obligation whatsoever to give them one thin penny of my hard earned income unless they convince me it is worth it.
And so sorry, but 'Look! Look! we've wrung the last drop of dirty dishwater out of that half decade out of date, DX-9 game appliance!' is not convincing. At all.
Every PC-centric question has been met with some variant of 'Huh?' A couple of half hearted promises about getting 'high res textures', as if that actually means all that much in this day and age....aside from slowing your system down due to large file loading and swapping.
Other than that? Nothing. And statements like 'well, we have PC images here, but we ain't telling' is juvenile, and certainly not considered good marketing practices. Those images all were likely cleaned up a bit in photoshop, so adding a stencil in one corner for Xbox PC PS3 would be rookie work.

If they are hell bent on becoming an single platform developer, I wish they would just announce it and get it over with. Then at least half of us could mourn and move on....and they could deal with the loss of sales, which I suspect would be somewhat in excess of what 'common knowledge' would suggest it would be.

Oh, and I fear I must call male bovine fecal material on that 'X-box is easier to set up for demo' statement.
One platform has power cord, hdmi connector (or separate dvi or s-vid and audio taps, considering the generational model), two controllers.
One platform has power cord, hdmi connector (-and- all of the above, giving it more flexiblility in interfacing with all the AV setups out in the real world), keyboard and mouse.
From that point, both boot, both have to be loaded into the DVD tray, and both have to be started.
The only real variable is overall weight (well, aside from the fact that the PC would make the ga look like the less than robust device it is); the console you can put in a knapsack. A PC you would just have to mount a handle on top or the side, and carry it like a small briefcase.....unless you could find a gaming laptop that actually works well for you. And the PC would give you access to the dev console, where the game appliance won't.

30 days until sales start.
14 to 20 days before gold status.
Nothing. No concrete data whatsoever.
Is that a situation where one should 'trust' a business entity (remember, you can not return software once you open it; if it svcks, they have your money, a plus on their units sold ledger, and you get a coaster....or at best something to trade at a 2nd hand place for a fraction of what you spent)? Or a point where you go 'We've asked nicely. Repeatedly. We've been ignored. You want my money? Put up or shut up'. The -only ones- who care what the X-box looks like are X-box gamers. I am not one. I have no interest in being one. I have been gaming on PC since the days of the 80386, and will continue to do so. The past year+ has been an exercise in convincing the X-box gamers how great this will be. And nothing but 'Oh, it'll look better, trust us' for other supported platforms. It should be making at least some impression that 'trust us' isn't working the way you imagined. Show us. No juvenile claims of hiding it in plain sight, no reducing resolution or features. Show those of us who have systems somewhat more powerful than coked up hamsters. Until we see it, it doesn't exist. And regarding claims that it should be 'close'......remember that close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and tactical nuclear weapons.

My god, why do these threads keep popping up every day? I understand your concern but it's simply not going to happen, if you're that concerned about the PS3/PC version then I'd advise you to hold off pre-ordering and wait for user uploaded videos on youtube.

Because Microsoft has the moneys

Exactly, but yeah, with the annouce that the first dlc will come out 1 month earlier on the 360, Microsoft sure has put some big money on the table to put emphasis on 360. Even pete hines plays skyrim on 360.

Oh, I know it isn't going to happen; I knew it more than 8 months ago. But as long as they claim to be developing multi platform games, I will continue to insist that they have ethical obligations to =all= the user base. If they don't think it, they should just dump what they don't have a fetish for and be done with it. The old 'you slap a stubborn horse enough times you might just get its attention' kind of thing.....

And youtube video at its best is crap for game demonstration purposes. We've got that quality now.....

Yes. I completely agree, but they never venture on to these forums, much less listen to feedback such as this.

Whats even more sad is that if the new consoles were on par with high end PC's, they would cost ALOT, so therefor Id say the new consoles will be midrange PC's whenever they release. They will age even faster than the PS3 and 360 did (keep in mind the current consoles have been old for awhile)

I don't feel left out I was just hoping to see some PS3 gameplay but it seems I'm gonna have to wait 32 days

How do you know skyrim will be a little better on ps3 then on the xbox 360. Did fallout 3 look better No did fallout new vegas look better No so why skyrim?!?!?

I have little to no concern in knowing how the game will look on the other platforms. What I want to see is stability and technical reviews indicating the game plays as well or better than the 360.

This includes things like CTD's, frame rates, stuttering, screen tearing, and the like. How good it looks is just going to be what it is, and xbox being the least powerful of the three only means it can look better.

Also keep in mind with what I said above, that sums up essentially why its only being shown on the 360. Showing the worst graphics of the platform choices prevents (assumption) flame wars between consoles and also prevents disappointment. Suppose they only showed PC screens during the Dev cycle and then released the game on all platforms, the 360 looking substantially worse. Would you feel deceived?

i ask the same thing, I ask every time this thread comes up.

What are you expecting?
Two different pictures with visible differences? Really?
There isn't anything worth showing, that's why there are no pictures
or they must be worse because it must be a bad port, lol.

And again, what other multi-console title showed pictures from every console they've released it?

And if you want to be sure it won't be a bad port, you seriously expect it to know it from one screenshot or a benchmark video?

Tbh they only showed the Xbox footage because it was leaked they don't have an obligation to show us anything it's really up to them.

and as tod has said PC will look much better and as the ps3 has slightly better Graphics it will probably look slightly better.

I think its being developed on the xbox anyway so its probably easier for them to show footage from the xbox version

Yes, yes yes. It is as if BGS is kicking me in the nuts. I don't like to be kicked in the nuts. :cryvaultboy: They likely won't show the PS3 version because it crashes every 5 minutes.

Maybe so, maybe no. Certainly not like they used to do, and probably never will again (after all, they are a big business now, not a game studio). But reality is that PC gaming is not dying, nor has it ever been dying, despite the console makers constant ad drivel attempts to make it seem like it is. But they do have mods, several I know from long agone, and issues can and -do- get reported up the chain. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see a slash and burn here to remove all the questions and doubts raised over the past board existance. Can't let the newbies know the extent of the discontent, after all.

No, I'm quite sure little to nothing is really getting passed where it needs to go....and despite delusions, the actual cost of that is going to be far higher than anticipated. But at least at the end of it all I can say I didn't just sit here and take it in silence.

Because the game was built on the 360. Yay for me.

I think it's great marketing to 360 owners, like me, and also getting DLC on many games earlier than the rest. Makes me even more proud to have my 360.

The reason for there not being any footage of Skyrim on the other systems is most likely because it is a known fact the PC and PS3 have in the past produced material of outstanding quality. It’s not to say that the X-Box has not, but most games tend to look better on the PS3 when compared to the X-Box and are definitely superior on the PC, I should know I have all the above mentioned systems.

Why not? If one platform actually is stronger, then the damage in showing that is....?



Wow. I never knew you were a developer, as that is the only way you could know something like that..... :shakehead:
And that is my point. The facts of the matter are that it is looking like every other game studio who has utterly blown their game ports, and are desperately hiding it, hoping to get a quick burst of impulse sales before the word gets out.



Very few. But then again, the majority of studios seem to release their chosen platform first, then port; not try and be all things to all people.....except they expect you trust that one platform can tell you all you need to know about the others.



What can you tell?
Lighting model behavior differences.
Shadow system differences.
Drawing range.
Audio fidelity (if it is a straight screen capture, not an assembled and overlooped piece)
Geometry behavior at different resolutions (rounding or popping errors for example. Or backfacing polygons that were missed)
Texture quality and mapping.
Displacement mapping quality
Normal mapping quality
Animation engine behavior with a more robust processor behind it (you can see motion stutter in the demo footage. Maybe framerate, maybe lack of resources. Which it is would be obvious in an unclamped environment).

Hows that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKVTmx1zos8&feature=related

I like the way you think.