Ehh, you're arguing that House does bad, but really he doesn't do anything bad per se. His only real 'bad' is the destruction of the BoS, and in all fairness, it's even spoken by Yes-Man that the BoS would be problematic in a society that's regime is defended by such advanced robots. The potential death of The Kings was avoidable, but they'd aligned in doing work with NCR and refused to evacuate the School, and Primm is only taxed if you make them give their loyalty to NCR, which the citizens themselves don't even like do to heavy taxation. Everything House does is to protect his regime, and to 'punish' those who would submit or work with the very people who tried to take Vegas from him, which is obvious they wanted. But at the same time, we can see House's regime would do a lot of good for Vegas. Everything from Vegas to the Mojave Outpost would be protected by patrolling Securitrons, Vegas and NCR would be powered by Hoover Dam still, and there would finally be an established regional safety. House is best for the Vegas region. To use the words of Ulysses, though he meant them in terms of the Legion, 'There will be one flag left flying over the Mojave, let that one fly.'

I think Ulysses is just being Histrionic and not logical. House is no different than The Divide, using Old World means to build a New World. (And before someone tries to go 'herp derp look what happened to the Divide', Vegas wasn't a former USAF missile silo base like Hopeville/Ashton, plus it's apparent what happened there was a freak accident.)

Seriously? How is House in any way a good bet for Mojave?

Look at what he did to New Vegas. Given half a chance, he'll do the same to the whole region.

Have you even played through the game on House's side?

All of the settlements are left alone to prosper under him.

Hmm...what he did to New Vegas....


Oh yes! Turn it into a vibrant center of commerce and a beacon of civiliization that inspires awe?

Why again would this not be a good thing to do to the whole region?

General Anti House facts and such!

I've seen no real sign of the 'prosper' part. I've seen a lot of the 'left alone' part, which is part of the problem.


New Vegas is basically an even worse version of New Reno. Every person of authority on the Strip is some variation of corrupt, evil, or outright insane, Freeside and Westside are left to hang, as is anyone who doesn't happen to be rich, and the only reason House has commerce is that NCR is in the region.

Seriously, seeing how messed up everything in New Vegas is, I'm shocked anyone thinks letting House run anything larger than a two-room apartment is a good idea.

You forget that the three families were savage tribesmen before Mr. House got them on his side, now they are all rich business men making thousands of Caps a day, if the entire Mojave were on his side, they, like the three families would prosper too. Mr. House could probably make Freeside and westside prosper too but the arrival of the NCR and the legion have limited his sphere of influence to the strip, if he tried to get them on his side then the NCR and legion might see it as a threat and take him out early.

and if Mr. House really is so bad at running things then how did he create the largest robotics/computer corporation in probably the entire world even after he was cheated out of inheritance? If he was so bad then how did he save Vegas? If he was so bad how did he manage to recruit the three families when they were previously aggressive tribes people? If he was so bad how did he manage to kick the Great Khans (a large tough tribe that can terrorize the NCR) from the strip with a handful of Mk I securitrons and some tribesmen? If Mr. House is really so bad at running things then how did he do all this?

Then you have never beat NV on House's side, if you had then you would see plenty of prospering (in almost every ending), that makes your arguement invalid due to you not even giving it a try to see where you're assumptions are wrong.

Not saying he's incompetent. Just that his goals don't align with the welfare of the people.

I'm sure that a world ruled by Mr. House would be a great place to live for Mr. House and anyone he had a direct use for. Everyone else? Not so much.

For all his fancy speeches Mr. House is just a tin pot dictator who wants to put the whole world into a snowglobe.



Well, no, but I have checked out all the endings on the wiki.

New Vegas becomes Mr. Houses' plaything, and it's not really implied that it ever undergoes major improvement.

The Followers struggle because under Mr. House Mojave has more people injured or in need of relief than ever.

The Kings are wiped out unless they start a needless war with the NCR.

The Powder Gangers are allowed to run free.

Goodsprings gets Victor as a guard and a spy both.

Finally, Primm is ignored unless they annoyed him.

Everyone else seems to be left alone.

I see no prosperity of any kind here.

General Pro-House counterarguements and such!

@IIlmarnen- In all bluntness, why should anyone take pity on Freeside? It's a dump because no one has manned up to trying change it for the better, they just mope and pout saying 'Gee, I sure wish things were better.' There's no ambition to change Freeside. Would I help them out ingame? I always do. Do I feel that they deserve free hand outs? No.

Assumptions and information lacking statements.

He doesn't want to hurt the average joe, but he's not going to go out of his way to give them hand outs. He's not perfect but he's far better than Independant, NCR, or Legion.

A world ruled by House would probably be a never ending Renaissance where everybody has an equal shot at becoming rich due to the lack of the Legion's system of brutality or the NCR's corrupt system.

He's not absolutely perfect but he;s definantly the best option.

I think it's worth noting that the only ones actually helping Freeside out are the Followers (who came out of NCR) and the NCR itself, despite having supply lines hundreds of miles long.

Apparently they think Freeside is worth helping.



Really? Because after seeing New Vegas and a little of what he's done with RobCo, I feel like a world ruled by Mr. House would probably be a dictatoriship with strong elements of oligarchy in which good things never happen unless they're convenient for Mr. House.

But of course that's just speculation on both of our parts, and that speculation is why I killed Mr. House and I'm assuming you didn't.

The NCR has pretty much disowned the followers and want nothing to do with them and 2 people in the NCR want to help freeside, which is colonel Hsu and Major Elizabeth Kieran, the rest don't mind cutting down the Kings where they stand

You should give it a shot, I've done every ending besides Independant (which I started last night) just so I could see things from every point of view. Reading the endings on the Vault is very different from choosing it in game and then seeing what happens.

Yes it is, chaos breaks out but the anarchy finsihes very quickly thanks to House's MK2 securitrons.

The Followers have been struggling since they began but, because of that short wave of anarchy they had to treat more people than ever for a time. House ending the anarchy helped them.

The Kings are wiped out if they become friendly with the NCR, House cannot have potential traitors helping the NCR if they were ever to try and annex them. A war with the NCR helps push them out of Vegas faster which is why they win House's favor for it.

No they're not. If you don't kill their leader than they're trouble for the wasteland for decades. If you do then they break up pretty quickly.

He's already lived there for about eight years. Its no different.

Unless they annoy him? No, Primm is burdened by heavy taxes for giving in to the NCR if they allow themselves to be annexed. If they do not then they are allowed to operate as they always have, tax free. Much better ending for them than the NCR or Legion endings.

Then you clearly haven't read the ones where you help everybody possible. When the Courier acts in the best possible manner than House's endings exceed even Independant Vegas's.


House's leadership is a dictatorship but a benign one. He's over two hundred years old, he has more money than he will ever need, and he lacks most human desires. He has no reason to rule with an iron fist or even get invovled with the issues of the settlements in the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas.

Its specualtion, sure, but I am backing mine up with evidence from his endings. I have not seen any evidence on your part thus far.

Exceeding Independent Vegas is pretty easy - that just means you're not keeping the status quo.

The 'helping everyone' outcome for most towns tends to be identical no matter who you side with. When it's the faction that decides the outcome, Mr. House is either acting out of spite towards someone or ignoring them, save for New Vegas, which is kept 'orderly, efficient, and cold'.


There is no part of his ending that suggests a 'neverending Renaissance'.

So? that just proves that maybe Mr. House is working on improving the rest of the mojave first

Given Mr. House attack on the BOS for not using medical tech i'm sure Mr. House will eventually get around to ensuring there is proper medical care, plus he doesn't seem to hate the followers like the NCR and legion, he is just amused by their attempts to infiltrate his data network.

What that same Victor which saved your life? and I'm sure having a securitron around won't help at all with the cazadors just to the north and the coyotes and Giant radscorpions to the east.

as for the powder gangers, maybe House is a little busy destroying the fiends and ensuring the NCR and legion don't attack

Primm doesn't need House to hold it's hand in most House endings, it already has a sheriff.

Also a thing i noticed when looking at the endings, if you get thehttp://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_New_Vegas_Endings#Slide_6:_Boomers in the NCR and legion endings they get attacked (and in the legion ending they get destroyed and enslaved) and in the independent endings prospectors end up getting killed trying to get into Nellis but in the House version of this scenario House leaves them alone and nobody dies.

Not saying anything against the Legion(they are my favorite faction) but Hitler conquered almost all of Europe under one nation that does't make him a good guy.

but house isn't helping anyone but himself and new vegas. Caesar's Legion and hell, even the NCR are better choices to help humanity

For your Caesar's Legion comment, The have made Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado some of the safest places in the wasteland. There are obviosly people to trade with because the merchant says he trades in Caesar's Territory. House can't even make one city safe.

Caesars Legion? No. NCR? Maybe. I see NCR as helpful to the broader Wasteland, House is better for Vegas, so why not help House? It's the best of both worlds.

In what way is House better for Vegas?

How is new vegas not safe?



He makes it orderly, efficient and air conditioned

Also you know, he's a 200 year old man unmatched in the fields of computing, medical science, robotics, nuke-destroying-lasers/missiles and humanity-saving with a massive army of robots with machine guns, lasers, grenade launchers and missiles, so you know, he might bring a few things to the table

just kill a few fiends and you will have balanced your karma through violence, yay!

Right. Because it's not like the NCR have gone through the efforts of rebuilding the entire state of California and have the resources and expertise to uplift a city. Oh wait, they do. They have proven their capability to rebuild time and again.

As to Mr. House's expertise, that might be nice...if he were willing to share it. But somehow Mr. House doesn't strike me as the type of guy who's really into scientific collaboration. In the long run the NCR with their universities, a full-blown science program, and a willingness to spread the technolgy around is the better bet for progress. Especially if they get the opportunity to plunder House's data.

Difference between Hitler and Caesar is that Caesar unitied nearly 100 ignorant savage tribes that had descended beyond civilization into a state of primal idiotism.
Oh and he didn't set out to kill a whole ethnicity cause of some ridiculous reason, nope, Caear kills everyone fairly.

Having good or bad Karma for killing someone doesn't make the game "Good" vs "Evil." I agree with you that Karma was not needed for New Vegas. I disagree that Karma was done better in Fallout 3.

In Fallout Karma acts as the games "reputation system." So this is where Karma worked the best.

Fallout 2 was when the reputation system came in, but Karma still worked really well with it.

Fallout 3 just had Karma, but Karma didn't affect how the game world saw you. It was completely pointless.

New Vegas has the Reputation System which governs how the game world sees you. Karma took a backseat.

I rather have the Reputation System. Karma is no longer needed.


Wow someone brought up Hitler. Didn't see that coming. What is it with people compairing anyone even remotely "bad" to Hitler and Nazis?

Do people know that Fallout mentions Hitler? "The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from it lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into and economic superpower, but war never changes."

Fallout doesn't have 100% bad guys as the protagonist. Everyone has some good or some bad in them. Its up to the player to judge. I am not defeanding Hitler, but if he didn't start the second world war, he would have gone down in history as a great leader. If he won the second world war, he would have gone down as a great leader.