Which is the main reason I am not affiliated with them. I am all for Autumns Enclave.I agree. Eden should re-think his plan.

However, if you thinks rationally, he does make some sense.

The impression I got when he went crazy and ordered everyone to hand me my ass was that he was twice as mental as Eden. He did just kind of go "Hey this is kinda boring, LET'S KILL THE [censored]". Sort it out for me, what IS the difference between Autumn and Eden's enclave?

(This may also help me understand that Autumn fangirl club on Deviantart... )

Just go and talk with Autumn at the end of the game. He can explain better than anyone.

Eden's kinda mad. He wants to purge everything and rebuild anew. Autumn wants to build on what we already have. Simple.

And can you blame Autumn for that? You're stopping the rebirth of America, in his eyes -- something he's very passionatr about. It's not personal, can't you understand that?

Basic plotline in my understanding:

I want to get me some water. Autumn wants my water. Shoots me for it.

It doesn't seem like I'm doing anything that wrong that he needs to flip out over it.

@HA: I would but I'm likely to spend upwards of a month on this save alone XD

Charon is Hade's ferrymen in Greek mythology, correct.
He is the bouncer of a club in the fallout 3 underworld, and a possible follower.

They were wiped out in FO2 and some how they survived to end up in FO3 where they get wiped out again. I loved them in FO2 because they were going to kill every mutation on earth and were a real bad guy with Powerful PA. I hate them in FO3 because they have a weak plan "I hope the Lone Wanderer Helps us with are plan." Their PA svcks and they have become "we need a bad guy, I know we will just re-hash the Enclave."

That's great, except that Autumn has no right to that water. Or anything. Eden lies about the election and everything really (he had such a nice dog in his childhood in Kentucky). The Enclave have no legitimate claim to "America." There is no America, legally, and hasn't been for 200 years. And they have no legal right to the Capital Wasteland because of it. They are a hostile, unknown organization that storms into the Capital Wasteland and starts killing Wastelanders and trying to kill you because they want to purifiy water and get rid of all mutations? That sounds all bad to me. Even if Autumn has a softer view of how to do it he still has no right to do any of it and does it brutually (Janice Kaplinski wouldn't say he is much kinder than Eden).

I gotta admit that I admire the Enclave for being the only ones with the stones to actually try to rebuild the United States, but I dislike any group that does genocide. Fictional or not.

One thing I do hate is the conversation with Nathan. For starters your character has no idea who the Enclave even is, so why does every response to Nathan have to be "lolz!!1 I don't support teh Enclave new player!", I mean the only thing you hear of the Enclave at that point is their radio, and they sound pretty nice. It doesn't matter if they become your worst enemy later, I think that was pretty dumb that your character had to act like a [censored] to Nathan when discussing a group he/she doesn't even know about.

Straightened that out for ya. If Autumn wanted to "help," then why the obsession with it having to be all about him?



The difference between Eden and Autumn is the difference between a completely insane power-mad would-be dictator, and a somewhat-less-insane power-mad would-be dictator. He's out to rebuild America alright- but only so long as it's on his terms, his way, and everybody knows who the Overseer of Vault America is.

What fun!!!

The Enclave and our good friend Autumn were not trying to take over the water. They were offering to help. To work together... but James wanted all the credit. Yes, I can understand it's something passionate to him, but they could have done great things with each other's scientists. I won't lie, however, Colonel does have a short fuse, and shouldn't have shot Janice -- instead should have calmy explained to James what they could do.

And yes, Eden lied about having a dog and all that nonsense -- but that's not the point; he's trying to expose the horrible life children have, and how the Enclave could make it better. But that wouldn't have happened anyway. Though, you can't use this against me as I am an Autumn follower, and I agree that Eden's methods were too extreme, even if he had great intentions.

And no, America isn't really under their control, as there isn't really a government. But they're trying to make people feel safe; trying to make things seem a little better for everyone. And heck, at least they're trying. I don't see anyone else doing anything. Oh, well there's the BOS, but they've been trying to get rid of the super mutants... that's been going great. Really the eastern BOS should either go home or trying something else to help the wastelanders.

All right, I suppose you could say the Enclave are hostile to any and all in the wastes, but have you not been warned?! Both Eden and Autumn made it clear that people should not get in their way as they have work to do. And, to be be fair, those soldiers are probably pretty stupid, and will see near enough anything as a threat. And they'll know your a threat from what happened at Project Purity and then at Raven Rock. They don't actually go out looking for you in the wastes... just don't go near them and it's all cool.

The soldiers are killing wastelanders because of Eden. Despite his good intentions, the man is no doubt a little mad. He wants anything with a slight mutation gone, and his goons out in the wastes have to follow his orders. Simple. Really, both Presidents (Richardson and Eden) have had similar plans, but that doesn't speak for everyone within the Enclave. Autumn is a prime example of someone just trying to help; listen to what he says through speech checks at the end of the game. And what's to say he is trying to take all the credit for himself? Perhaps he's trying to make the Enclave seem all great, yeah, but what's wrong with that? It gives people hope.

If I were president of the Enclave, then I would not kill off anyone with a mutation. Though most ghouls would have to go (some could actually be useful, but they will be slaves more than anything).

Anyway, this is a fun topic.

God bless the Enclave, people.

Heil Autumn.




Edit: Forgot I was in General Discussion

1. Stole my Dad's work.
2. Killed an innocent woman.
3. Made me an orphan.
4. Kidnapped me and stole my G.E.C.K.
5. Tried to kill pretty much everyone in the wasteland.

Any of the above are reason for me to consider those weiners an enemy.

BTW, Abraham Lincoln grew up in rural Kentucky with a dog named Honey. That's where Eden got the reference. It's too bad the only way to eliminate him is to crash his circuits... killing him with Lincoln's repeater would be far more poetic.

There is a beautiful irony about that. I like the way your mind works, son. XD

You will turn over everything and help our people run this? Funny damn way of helping. Sounds a lot more like "Now that you've invested most of your life in this, you'll step aside while we claim the credit for it." Same sort of thing any other thug would say. " 'Ey, nice machine ya got here...now youse'll hand it over to us, 'cause youse wouldn't want trouble wit' Colonel Autumn Tony Soprano, right? Fuggedaboutit! We got orders from President Eden The Godfather."




Can't imagine why, can you? I mean, who wouldn't jump at the opportunity to turn their life's work over to The Mob when they come to shake you down?



Aye, Autumn's got a bit of a short fuse indeed. Just like Charles Manson has a bit of a "grip on reality" problem. The truly egomaniacal tend to get that way. Comes from believing their own propaganda.



Oh, but I can- because Eden wasn't waiting for me after I escaped his goons. Who was? Uh-huh, that's right.



Right, like building that big waterworks project the Enclave Reich put all those resources into. Oh wait...




Autumn and his band of thugs are a prime example of the old adage: "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." With President Eden The Godfather gone, things change- well, at least the name of the top thug does. Basic game plan? Same as it ever was.



Of course, the Enclave's Reich's spiritual mentor Orwell covered that one: "All Americans are created equal- but some are more equal than others." It might almost be poor form comparing Autumn to a pig- because aside from Orwell's Napoleon character, no pig ever did anything to deserve such an insult.

Ask not what your Enclave can do for you, roll over and let your Enclave do unto you.


Wouldn't believe I could have this much fun with my clothes on, if it weren't happening.

^ this.


Well, what else can I say XDDDDD That was everything I wanted to say, said in a clear and unconfusing way XD

As to the Enclave being the only ones actually trying to make the wasteland a better place, that's just not true. The Lone Wanderer is the real power in the game. The LW's progress is inexorable. He/she gets killed? Load up a save game. There is no stopping him/her. If the player chooses to take the good, "canon" path, then the Capital Wasteland is in very good hands.

The whole idea of "America" in Fallout is a ghost. The real United States has been dead and dust for two centuries. The Enclave are the remains of the twisted people in power at the time of the Great War. They never represented the people, they represent themselves. Like it or not, the wastelanders, the normal irradiated people and the ghouls ARE the people. They're what's left. If the Enclave really was "America", and even had a clue what "America" was, they would defend them, not eradicate them.

Charon is the name of Pluto's largest moon.

Every ghoul except Gob can die for all I care.

Napoleon the pig was a allegory for Stalin, and Animal Farm the USSR. The Enclave model is more along the lines of a fascist Police State...for example the Empire from Star Wars. Fascism is merely socialism with a heathly dose of Nationalism and snappy uniforms so they are easy to confuse.

This I know. But when doing a rant, "Reich" tends to invoke a clearer image. And when you're "stage ranting" about a faction in a game that's not real strict on accuracy, I don't reckon the odd liberty taken is all that, eh?

Fix'd.

Enclave brothers unite!! You can trust me Assassin, I am an Enclave supporter also :woot:

Enclave forces grow by the day. Chriso123 and Pistolero seem to be the most outspoken in their campaign to purge America. Im simply a sympathizer. No official affiliations here, aside from Regulators. I do however believe in the extermination of Ghouls. An enemy of an enemy is a friend. So that makes us somewhat alike, but I don't speak for all Regulators. Its a personal opinion.

If you care, check my topic known as "Why I Hate Ghouls" that was the catalyst for this very topic here, but it was locked because the mods are pansies it was derailed off the tracks, and off the map.

Edit: Pistolero is the President of the Enclave Fanclub around here. He's not around as often anymore, but still a great person to talk to. Even though I don't agree with alot he has to say. An exceptional mind, all the same.