Why I Hate Ghouls

Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:03 pm

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Good day ladies and gentlemen,

I have created this topic for one reason and one reason alone, and if you've read the title, you would know what that reason is. I wish to share with the world, the cause of my loathing towards a species that exists within the Fallout Universe known as Ghouls. Perhaps this can remind Bigots why they are Bigots, and put things into perspective for Ghoul Lovers.

Before you read this, you should know, I am generally impartial in my conduct, and always enter every place with an open heart and mind. And I do not hate all Ghouls, and even the ones I hate, are not inherently because they are Ghouls. But because of their behavior and actions which I shall highlight shortly.

Let us start with the first Ghoul you meet in the game. Gob. Now, he seems nice enough at first, explains what he is, and if you choose to be okay with his condition, he even helps you out a bit. Good right? Sure, whatever. While speaking to Gob, you learn that he is from a place known as Underworld. He also continues to state how he has a family there and when his contract is up, he would like to perhaps return, obviously wishful thinking from his side. However, if you so chose to put an end to his contract by killing Moriarty, the Saloon Owner, instead of carrying on with this innocent desire, he shamelessly and selfishly takes over the Saloon to meet his own ends, and become rich. What happened to going back to Underworld? He wipes his tears with caps.
That is, assuming that zombie even has feelings.

Let us move on. The Ghouls have settled in a city called Underworld, this is where we shall meet most of our examples. Before we enter, we meet Willow, the guard to this place. She also seems nice enough at first. Upon speech, she seems nice aswell, if not a bit judging, but we missed something. Guard of Underworld you say? What gives her the right for that position? She must have proved herself in combat. Who would she fight though? She was raised in a city full of Ghouls. Does that mean she fought others? Not to be trusted, however I shall give her the benefit of the doubt. Moving on, we enter Underworld, this is the part where we shall have most of our discrimination. We are greeting by Winthrop, who kindly allows us to look around, trade, and sleep. But he immediately draws a distinction between us and them. We are smoothskins, they are Ghouls. We have passed no judgement so far, but they have told us. We aren't one of them, and they aren't one of us. Some say Ghouls are people too. How are we expected to believe that when they themselves don't?

Further down in this ghastly place, we find their Guard-Dog Cerberus. A likeable Mr. Gutsy. His dialogues prove to me the most refreshing and truthful in all of Underworld. He was programed to be "Pro-Ghoul" and state that Ghouls deserve equal rights and whatnot. But wasn't programed well, as he also mentions that he sick of the "Pansy zombie programming". Great fellow, he is. Lets enter the bar here. We find a Ghoul named Azkhural who want us to kill his competition so he can give us the contract to his employee Charon. If we chose to do this, Charon blows Azkhural to bits. Lets just ignore that. (You are also offered to simply pay for Charon, but that gives the same result). Then, moving further, we find another Ghouls who offers us to kill a bunch of 'bigots' for caps. He turns out to be a liar, and uses us for his own ends. I am being overwhelmed by their dishonesty now.

Finally, we see some light at the end of the tunnel, the only two good Ghouls in this settlement. Carol, and The Doctor. Carol is a very old Ghoul, and she explains the history of things. Neither does she whine about the discomfort of Ghoulification, nor does she resort to evil. Same goes for the Doctor, who is trying to find a cure for Ghoulification. Very admirable. Another notable good Ghoul is the one who is making Ultra-Jet, and their barber, but thats not what this is about is it?

Further away from Underworld there is Tenpenny Tower. A building which a rich business mogul claimed, and rents out to customers. In this tower, the citizens aren't the most compassionate, but they earned their way in all the same. Trying to enter this building is a Ghoul named Roy Phillips and his groupies. One of them is his girlfriend Bessie Lynn. Roy says he is willing to pay caps to enter the tower, but claims Tenpenny won't let him. How does he respond? I know! Lets kill them! This is his attitude. Tenpenny isn't trying to kill you, he simply doesn't wish to give you business, all business's have that right. He won't accept though. What do you want to do there anyway? You're perfectly well settled in the Metro. Nope, its not good enough. How selfish.
If we decide to help him in his campaign to enter Tenpenny Tower, the peaceful way, we work hard to convince each resident that it would be alright. They comply. Once the Ghouls are inside, they seem happy enough, but not a few days pass when you find that Roy Phillips has slain all the non-Ghoul residents. He explains that "they had it coming". No further explanation. When you question the seemingly sweet Bessie Lynn (who is a whiner, by the way) She also responds saying "They must have done something to deserve it". No comment. I have been deceived, and used, and betrayed. I am speechless.

Lets travel to Point Lookout now. We come across Desmond, a lonely Ghoul living in a mansion. His attitude is the only bad thing about him, and his condition doesn't seem to have brought him down in any other respect. But now we find Plik. His story is equivalent of cannibalism for us humans. He takes Feral Ghouls from other parts of the area, brings them into one, so humans may kill them. Like a game. Sickening.

There is also the case of a Ghoul who tries to sell a cure in Underworld, in the Broken Steel DLC. He actually sells regular water. (Radiated even) to them for caps. Can you imagine fooling your own people for money? Despicable.

Let us now come to a conclusion, Ghouls are all selfish, this is universal. They fall under two categories, whiners or murderers. And they will deceive you, given the chance, and the reason. They won't think twice about it. This has been proven. Now, I won't try and defend humans, I will say, they are just as bad, if not worse than Ghouls. But thats who we are, and we can't change that.

Hopefully, the above shall prove to you that Ghouls are vile creatures, and are not to be trusted. The reasons given above are the ones for which I despise Ghouls. If I have forgotten anything, please add it in yourself, and feel free to share your opinions, thoughts, comments. Etc. Please keep in-mind, this is not to offend any person Living, or dead, or in between. And is purely for entertainment purposes. Have a nice day!

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If you actually read all that, I love you. :P

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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:03 pm

What about Ghouls in the Other Fallouts?
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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:35 pm

:huh:
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:lmao:

You had me going there with your big ol wall of text. I was all set to defend my brethren. You're a funny smoothskin.


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Post » Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:52 am

What about Ghouls in the Other Fallouts?


Well, I have only played Fallout 3, and only know them from there. If this was a bad batch, and Ghouls in FO 1 and 2 were good, I do not know. I can only give them the benefit of the doubt. This is the main reason this topic is in the Fallout 3 section and not the Fallout Universe section.
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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:46 pm

Well, I have only played Fallout 3, and only know them from there. If this was a bad batch, and Ghouls in FO 1 and 2 were good, I do not know. I can only give them the benefit of the doubt. This is the main reason this topic is in the Fallout 3 section and not the Fallout Universe section.


True but you did say you hate all Ghouls. Ghouls in the other games don't all fall under Good or Bad, alot are just trying to get by.. They are more Zombie like in the Originals so if that's something you hate about them then you would really hate the Originals.
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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:13 pm

Here is some information on the ghouls in Fallout 1 & 2.

In Fallout 1, the Ghouls live in the ruins of Bakersfield, California, now called "Necropolis". Their leader, Set asks you to kill the Super Mutants at the Water Shed (the source of clean water in Necropolis). The result:
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Reward: 40 bottle caps, food and ammo, Necropolis destroyed in Super Mutant counter-attack.


In Fallout 2, most ghouls live in Gecko, a town next to an old nuclear reactor, or Broken Hills, a city with ghouls, humans, and super mutants together.

The ghouls of Gecko are hated by the citizens of Vault City, a city created outside Vault 8. The major quest in the area is fixing Gecko's damaged reactor from leaking radiation into the water underground. The ghouls want it fixed because they realise that Vault City will kill everyone in Gecko and shutdown the plant if no action is taken. Vault City wants it fixed because they don't want their water contaminated. Vault City has the parts needed to fix the plant, but they won't give the parts because they don't like the ghouls.

Results of the quest:
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Fixing the plant results in an uneasy truce between Gecko and Vault City.
Destroying Gecko results in Vault City's citizens moving to NCR
Fixing and optimizing the plant results in the citizens of Vault City enslaving the ghouls of Gecko
No action taken results in Vault City invading Gecko, killing the ghouls, and shutting down the plant.

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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:45 pm

I too hate Ghouls. :mellow:

I think Mister Crowley deserves a mention. The guy is abhorrent to me. Immediately when he meets you he brings up the whole 'ghoul thing' accusing you of staring and then procedes to joke about calling you a "...milk svcking, mutant loving, water stealing son of a [censored]...". If you said anything like that to a Ghoul then they feel justified in losing it and drawing fire. He also calls us humans "downright bigots" and cries foul about the myths people have about them eating brains. It's a victims mentality and maybe if they were a bit more open for co-habiting (unlike Roy Phillips) then people wouldn't think such things. Crowley's response to this is 'make us humans pay',.. with the help of a human?!? :facepalm: ok then. I enjoyed stealing that armour anyway. :evil: I think underworld may have to get cleaned out.

However, as good as all the reasons listed so far are, most of my reason for hating Ghouls are completely superficial and I don't try to let a little things like logic or morality get in the way of my general dislike of them. They look wierd for a start. The other day I was entering my suite and Roy Phillips stopped me outside my room (I live with Ghouls so you can't say I haven't given them a chance). When he began to speak his nose just fell off. That's not something I want to see.

They also smell like rotting flesh, their voices are annoying, and not one of them has a charisma rating above 1.

Also, what's the deal they got going on with the Super-Mutants? Those guys don't attack each other, so is it 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend'? If so, as far as I'm concerned, that would make - the friend of my enemy is my enemy. :grad: Death to all Ghouls.
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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:19 pm

BY ZOMBIE LOVERS WERE YOU PERCHANCE BAITING ME. Enclave bumming... GAHHHH. XDDD

Okay, okay, so yes, let's just simplify my answer:

Ahzrukhal: Loser, money loving, despicable, HATE HIM. He's also to all intents and purposes, a slaver. He is a naughty, naughty boy. But there are a lot of bad human characters... too many to count, in fact!
Mister Crowely: .... has issues. No one can deny, he is wrong in the head. But so is Braun, in a similar 'they're all out to get me, I deserve better' way.
Roy Philips: Is halfway to feral. Cure: Bullet.

Now the less obviously specific ones:

Gob: Well, what do you expect?! All he has is Carol, and she says he SHOULDN'T go back to underworld. I should think it's less character, more ease of programming to have him take over the bar. If you remember, Gob was the one selling in the first place. Moriarty is nothing more than an annoying, (Irish?! And just how the damn hell did he get an IRISH accent?!) old man. I think Gob was set up to take over from the start.
Charon: ... well, what can I say, I'm heavily biased, we all know it. You know it best.... *grumble*... In his defense, he's been brainwashed. It's hardly his fault.
Willow: Willow's a babe, if she had skin, I so would. XD I don't find any offence in her, I think she seems quite good humoured.
Bessie: Has no backbone. She doesn't mean it when she says they deserved it, she's just so under the thumb it hurts.

In the general defense of ghoul kind, I just wanna point out that there are all kinds of people and all kinds of ghouls! What the hell. They're ALL people! Heck, if you got ghoulified in a blast tomorrow, would you kill yourself just because you smell bad?! I don't think so. And after however many years, it's totally understandable that they'd be a bit twisted, what with bigots like you going on the internets and calling them zombies. X3
I just don't understand the whole WWAAAAHHHHH THEY IZ SMELLEH ZOMBIZ thing... they have a lot of guts to carry on. Carol said herself, a lot of early ghouls went crazy. I don't blame them. So the ones left over have very little chance of being in posession of all their marbles... hence the Evil List I just wrote XD All the evil ghouls seem not so much 'evil', just downright ignorant, so I really don't think you can peg all of ghoulkind as selfish.

But, you know. That's me. XDDDD

I read it all, H-man. And I hate you. XDDD

Edit: Well, I didn't read the DLC bits, I'm not done with those yet XD
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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:44 pm

I dont really have a problem with most Ghouls aside from Roy freakin Phillips and his gang who all deserve to die which was not an easy thing for me to accomplish without affecting negative karma and I've outlined the best method of doing so in my post a few days back.....but other than Phillips I've adopted an ultra good karma live and let live attitude....dont mess with me and I wont mess with you...oh and Gob gives me the best prices for my goods so he's ok in my book....

oh I forgot about that gang of Ghouls (non Feral) in that small hideout near Grayditch....when you walk in they attack you on site...had to kill those dudes and they deserved it.....
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Post » Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:56 am

Bah, nothing but smoothskin propaganda.
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Lauren Graves
 
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I think of ghouls as humans. Just much uglier.
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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:18 pm

Try to keep your friggen posts to at least one city block long! :brokencomputer:

I am not reading that. Besides I like Ghouls and I even helped them move into
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Ten Penny tower and I would give that ghoul who wants Sugar Bombs all he wants for free if I could

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It's amazing how many replys you can get by nonsensically rambling [censored] :laugh:
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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:33 pm

Im not big on ghouls but your making it like their the bad guys "were tired of those bigotswe have caps but they reject us"
to be honest they lived in a crap hole and tennpeny lived in luxury
they didnt have a choiceremember tennpeny was also gonna move in on them :gun:

to be honest ghouls and humans make poor choices its not about their skin its their personalaty. :nod:

EDIT: yes i hate roy i trusted them to play nice but no it wouldnt go
but you cant judge all ghouls based off a few. :facepalm:
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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:08 pm

Good show, my good man! Good show, indeed. It was about time someone exposed those ghouls for who they are, and I was tempted to do it myself. But no need. A great read, and maybe the people of this great forum will come to their sense. I believe in redemption.

You're right. It seems the vast majority of the zombie population are selfish, whiners or plain evil. Hopefully people will see why they need to be removed. Forever. If we want to rebuild a great nation, then such abominations need to be destroyed... they're pests on our soil -- they have no regard for anything but their own selfish desires.

See, as our good friend Assassin mentioned, us zombie haters don't hate them simply because they look like corpses (even if it is vile, and if we TRULY want to rebuild, they'd need to be purged), it's because of their actions. I'd feel the same way about a human who acted like many ghouls do. But they think, because they're different (or at least they say they are so often, how can you blame people for acting as if they're not human), they have an excuse for their actions. Self pitying zombies.

God bless the Enclave. Those who appose us will be dealt with. Harshly. And FFS, Assassin, admit it; you're with the Enclave. :P


Ahem... yes. Yeah, [censored] ghouls they svck ass.
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@ Styles I stated atleast twice that I don't hate all Ghouls, and even went to state the ones which I like



@ GT409 Thanks for that info. :foodndrink:




@ Duco Those are some very valid, and potent points you have brought to light. Thank you for sharing them. :foodndrink:






@ BittercupIf you insist on defending the zombies, so be it. Just know, that you won't be spared when it's time for 'The Cleansing'. :evil:




@ Cerestes Another set of good points, although your attitude favors a few of the Ghouls, I am willing to overlook them, since you have brought to light another valid point. :foodndrink:




@ Jara of the Black Wind Join us... I implore you... It is for the better of everyone. :cookie:




@ Eddo36 :lol: Well, a good start, atleast.




@ Pizza the Hutt If you're not reading it, must you post?



@ Colonel Martyr I know, right? :frog:




@ Vault boy 101 Tenpenny was gonna 'move in on them' only because they kept pestering him. Atleast you're halfway there.




@ Chriso123 Thank You! You're approval is very uplifting as these Zombie Lovers have been quiet disagreeable as you may have seen.

And for the last time, Im Neutral! Not in BoS, not in Enclave! No Association! Except for Regulator. :P

Sorry for not Multi-Quoting folks, there were too many, it wasn't allowed in one post!
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You're right. It seems the vast majority of the zombie population are selfish, whiners or plain evil. Hopefully people will see why they need to be removed. Forever. If we want to rebuild a great nation, then such abominations need to be destroyed... they're pests on our soil -- they have no regard for anything but their own selfish desires.

See, as our good friend Assassin mentioned, us zombie haters don't hate them simply because they look like corpses (even if it is vile, and if we TRULY want to rebuild, they'd need to be purged), it's because of their actions. I'd feel the same way about a human who acted like many ghouls do. But they think, because they're different (or at least they say they are so often, how can you blame people for acting as if they're not human), they have an excuse for their actions. Self pitying zombies.

God bless the Enclave. Those who appose us will be dealt with. Harshly. And FFS, Assassin, admit it; you're with the Enclave. :P


Ahem... yes. Yeah, [censored] ghouls they svck ass.

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Most ghouls I ran into are nice ones, even in Underworld. And most Ghouls been around for over 200 years.

Some people remind me of those Sith zealots.
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Post » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:23 am

Some people remind me of those Sith zealots.


Darth Assassin: *muffled breathing from behind mask* Pizza, I AM YOUR
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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:39 pm

Very entertaining posts :D

Ghouls usually (although there are those encounters where they are automatically hostile) tollerate me and listen to me and sometimes I can trade and gain information from them. There are lots of smoothskin factions that I cannot do this with, such as Talon Company, Enclave, Slavers, Raiders. There are other smoothskin factions that are plain abusive or borderline hostile such as the Outcasts and TenPenny residents (I'm also not forgetting the not so nice attitudes of megaton residents at the start of the game, although that one is easily fixed :nuke: ).

But why would you want to alienate the ghouls and lose your free haircuts at underworld, ok you might have to brush out the odd bit of skin that drops on your head but it's still free!
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Post » Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:40 am

It boggles my mind too.

Ghouls are just like normal people except they been radiated and you have your nice Ghouls and evil Ghouls.

So hating on Ghouls is almost like hating on other races. Which makes the Ghoul haters the bigots here. :thumbsdown:

And The Enclave are no match for the Hutts. Even the Empire respected and feared the Hutts

So be nice to friendly Ghouls or else...

Or else Pizza is gonna send out for you :prod:
(old Spaceballs movie quote)
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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:59 pm

It boggles my mind too.

Ghouls are just like normal people except they been radiated and you have your nice Ghouls and evil Ghouls.

So hating on Ghouls is almost like hating on other races. Which makes the Ghoul haters the bigots here. :thumbsdown:

And The Enclave are no match for the Hutts. Even the Empire respected and feared the Hutts

So be nice to friendly Ghouls or else...

Or else Pizza is gonna send out for you :prod:
(old Spaceballs movie quote)

You have no idea.

And you speak of us as if we're evil -- how ignorant you are, my friend. And or else what? What will you do? What power do you have? It won't be long before the Ghoul Haters (good name, I know) declare war on the Ghoul Lovers, and you will be put in your place. No mercy will be shown. None!

....wow I really need to stop taking this so seriously. :P
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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:11 pm

You have no idea.

And you speak of us as if we're evil -- how ignorant you are, my friend. And or else what? What will you do? What power do you have? It won't be long before the Ghoul Haters (good name, I know) declare war on the Ghoul Lovers, and you will be put in your place. No mercy will be shown. None!

....wow I really need to stop taking this so seriously. :P


Cult of the Ghoul Haters shall prevail! Don't worry brother, they shall all be enlightened when 'The Cleansing' takes place. :whisper:
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Post » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:07 pm

Cult of the Ghoul Haters shall prevail! Don't worry brother, they shall all be enlightened when 'The Cleansing' takes place. :whisper:

Ahhh, yes. The Cleansing. We shall bide our time until that day comes, further improving our army. Ohhh, the time is near, my good man... I can feel it in the air.

And, err, you're pretty creative, right? Think of a better name for us. :P

Oh, and I think we have the right to go a little off topic here; it's your topic, after all. Hehe
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Ahhh, yes. The Cleansing. We shall bide our time until that day comes, further improving our army. Ohhh, the time is near, my good man... I can feel it in the air.

And, err, you're pretty creative, right? Think of a better name for us. :P

Oh, and I think we have the right to go a little off topic here; it's your topic, after all. Hehe


The working title is CoGH. (Cult of Ghoul Haters) I can't think up anything better for now..

Accepting Suggestions..
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Post » Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:13 am

Accepting Suggestions..


I have a suggestion, kill urselfves lolz. XDDDDDDDDDD
Tbh, you're all dead soon so laugh it up, Count Fagula XD
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