QFT. One has to admire the traditional Nordic spirit and nationalism...but the Stormcloaks simply don't have what it takes to ensure Skyrim's future long-term. There would simply be more civil war as Jarls fight for power and make the Thalmor's goals even easier.

The Jarls will fall into line by the Moot.

My choice was the imperial legion. While it's true neither side is perfect, I had a feeling I fit in the legion much more being an imperial shield master (shield charge FTW!). Later when I discovered the politics behind the curtain, it probably was slightly better choice than stormcloaks.

So basically this goes down to the point where you have to choose between two evils. Now where did I see this before... Ah yes, must have been IRL.

Anyway, the empire is still disarray and I start to wonder which elder scroll will let us to finally claim it.

I got no problem with the Stormcloaks, but Ulfric is a self-obsessed racist bastard. Down with the Dominion and Empire, but Skyrim is plenty big enough for all races.

Personally, I was hoping of a way to end the war and somhow apease both Tullius and Ulfric and identify the Thalmor as the real threat. And I was hoping the Thalmor were responsible for Alduin's return (I still think they are).

I just hope the next big DLC deals with tearing the Dominion's leader asunder with my bare hands...

The Grey Quarter says more than some people realize.

How many other cities have that much of a population of Dunmer or Argonian? None of them. Yet there they are. If he truly wanted them out, they wouldn't be there. And it's hard to say that any of the other Jarls would be different since they don't have nearly as many refugees in their cities. Whiterun has a grand total of two Dunmer in the entire city. And no Argonians. I think I saw two Argonians in Solitude.

The reports that he never sends out armies to help them is troubling. But the Empire did no better for Skyrim or Hammerfall in the war. Cyrodiil in trouble? CALL THE LEGIONS! Markarth overrun? Handle it yourselves. Hammerfall in Thalmor hands? [censored] 'em.

I do hear nice things about whoever replaces Ulfric, however.

And that's why he used a freaking Thu'um in this supposedly traditional Nord duel?
To apologists: That's akin to using a flashbang in a sword fight or poisoning someone and then finishing him off. And magic is apparently prohibited in these kind of Nord honour fights.

Not to mention he probably broke the oath of not using the Shout for his own gain(where else could he study it, if not with the Greybeards?)

He's a puffed up, short-sighted ignorant. The only bright side of his is the czech-canadian voice actor Vladimir Kulich(the 13th Warrior)

The Thu'um is not considered magic by the Nords. At all. It is highly respected and considered an extension of personal will and strength.

Otherwise everyone would hate the Greybeards. Instead of universally respecting them.

The Dragon shout is in fact an arcane form of magic. While the Nords consider it something else, it's still, like I said akin to using a flashbang in a sword duel.

So if the High King was so unfit, weak and unworthy to rule why bother using it? Ulfric is a fool with double standards, and I don't have to be an Empire bootlicker to see it.

At least, that's what my character thinks from RP point of view, haha. :hubbahubba:

Because the high king didn't even have the discipline to have a Thu'um of his own.

Besides, you can totally a block FUS ROH DAH. I bet the old High King dual wielded like a svcker.

That's according to game mechanics. I thought we were talking lore here? :confused:

He's not so bad. When you do the stormcloaks questline, you find out he actually cares about his people. He didnt want to even kill people, and was talked into it by that bear skin guy.

BUT

I do think he's going about it wrong. First, killing the high king was a wee little harsh. Especially since they liked each other. I think Ulfric would make a good High King for the type of country Skyrim is. But BOTH him and the imperials were wrong to dish out a civil war during a time when DRAGONS were going around eating everyone's heads. That, and I think they should've waited and 'joined forces' to beat the Thalmor because, well, no one likes the Thalmor.

Bottom line: Unite and push those sassy High Elves back into the sea. bliviongate:

Ulfric states that he killed the king to send a message to the other jarls. Using the Thu'um is probably a part of this. Seeing as nords have great respect for those that can use dragon-shouts, having people think that Ulfric used that would prove an advantage. I don't think that Nords will consider it unfair that he used a shout. They want the strongest to be king (according to custom). Any Nord with discipline can learn to use dragon shouts, but the dead king didn't do that. So to answer: he did it in order to send a message. As you said yourself, he didn't need to do it. So perhaps he did it because he saw an advantage in it?

Hell yeah, those guys are jerks. I mean, Ulfrics a jerk, but those guys are jerks

The Dunmers in the Grey Quarter got in because the previous High King asked for it. There's little doubt Ulfric wouldn't have done that if he had a voice in the matter.

The Argonians aren't even allowed inside the city and live on the docks.


There's one noble in Riften (a town aligned with the Stormcloaks) that says well what's my problem with him : he doesn't care about the rebellion or Talos much, he's a scam using that matter to get the throne. The Stormcloak rebellion might be legitimate, but Ulfric isn't.

And the Khajiit aren't allowed in any city anywhere.

He's not so special.

Ulfric has an infinite amout of legendary enchanted daedric armor and weapons at his disposal.

The high elves would not stand a chance.

Well, the Khajiit I met were Thalmor agents, the other half was selling Moonshugar.

Besides, they aren't exactly barred from entering the cities : the merchants came to my wedding in Riften as guests

There would be a race war in Windhelm if the Argonians were allowed in. Dunmer hate them a lot more than they do Nords.

I agree, it's sort of a [censored] move. But if I remember right, the primary sources seemed to all say he shouted at the ground to make a point, but never used his voice aggressively. One might call it some Miyamoto Musashi style psychological trick, but in the end, the whole fight WAS sword to sword, with nothing magical to the combat itself.

Still, I'm not sure taking the magic out really makes the fight any more fair. There's something to be said about a man who challenges another (a friend, no less) to a duel knowing full well there's no way he can lose. I'm sure if Ulfric made a mistake, and thought he was about to die, he'd of Thoomed the High King into a bloody pulp and never looked back. It's no wonder most of Skyrim views this more as a murder instead of a fair duel.

Ulfric is my hero.

False premise right there. The greybeards decide who gets to be trained in the way of the voice, and this comes with very strict conditions the trainee is supposed to abide by, such as non-violence and monastic way of life. Under these circumstances it would have been highly improper for the high king or his heir apparent (given Solitude is the conventional pick) to be called for training in the Thu'um. Ulfric was only able to shout the king down because he broke his oaths and abused the greybeards trust.

Shouted at the ground? I am pretty sure the official sources say that he incapacitated the King with the Shout and killed him afterwards. If that's his way to make a point, then I am damn glad I got rid of him in my playthrough. :toughninja:


I think he used it just because he could. IMHO Ulfric has already proven to be kinda sleazy and dishonest, so I am not suprised he decided to demonstrate his powers on an inferior opponent.


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Yes, it's very fair to shout a men apart in a duel. It's almost like using magic in a tavern brawl.