This thread is closed for clean up if possible and maybe for good.

Nope, I would have to go through every single page. I removed quite a few but it's still full of posts that break rules.

Give "helbeards/spears/polearms a break for the night.. Like 12 hours or so and see if folks can calm down a bit.

right but the fact that TES games are never multiplayer games kinda makes that arguement invalid. In Oblivion, mages who knew the parazlyze spell+ a destructiuon spell had a unfair advantage over warriors and thiefs. does it bother me? no. because i never had to fight them. the true advantages of the spear do not overpower other weapons (reach ). the CPUs in TES are easy kills. there will always be silly glithes that allow "people" to take advantage of the freedom TES gives you. this isn't COD, if someone wants to use unfair tactics to win, let them. they are harmless noobs in their own TES world.

I would like both. and any other peripheral weapons that are on the fence as well. I want as much as possible and i am not happy when they cut one for another.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. Nothing the people of this forum call unbalanced or game-breaking really are, they just like being sensationalists.

I gotta disagree with you here... http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1174542-a-game-breaking-daggerfall-bug/ the bug also happens if a quests time runs out... so I'm pretty screwed...

Yes, I hear the "lowest damage" argument alot but the fact of the matter is just because you had lesser damage, spears were amazingly overpowered weapons. When you attacked, you not only did damage but you made an ultimate shield, the attack zone being between you and the enemy, not allowing a counter attack. That is the issues with spears that got them removed. With halberds, you swing, which swinging is a tried and true system that we know that works well, allowing for counter attacks.


Doesn't require backpedaling to pull off the ultimate spearshield. I can stand still in Morrowind and still pull it off.



Come at me with a spear and I'll use a sword and we will see who wins hehe. Swords are a far better weapon than spears, thus is why spears were all but phased out from combat except for perimeter defense while swords continued in use up until the first half of the 20th century. Spears can be easily circumvented plus swords have a very large range of motion being able to slash and stab, as opposed to spears only stabbing and only at range. Once someone passes the range of the tip in close combat, it's over for the spear wielder. Not to mention that the shaft of the spear makes a very large weak point when it can be grabbed. I wouldn't want to try to grab the blade of the sword.



Interesting factoids. Glad to be discussing spears with you again, it's been awhile. One thing I don't get though is why bring up vikings? They weren't really a warrior caste known for their indominable fighting skills. Or maybe you meant it because it's Skyrim and it's based loosely on vikings.

We both have differing opinions on spears, I just say that they need to work on spears to bring them back to be balanced and apparently Bethesda agrees, since they removed them and aren't bringing them back at least in Skyrim. Maybe TES VI when they have time to balance them, but they have compromised at least by possibly giving other polearms to us. I'm never opposed to extra weapons in the game as long as they aren't ridiculously strong where if I use them I laugh at Alduin as I tear his eye out with it without taking any damage :tongue:

Of course, once someone got inside the range of your spear, you'd be almost helpless while they carved you up with a shortsword/etc.



Not that nearly every game in existance has never satisfactorily dealt with weapon lengths before..... (like, say, sniper rifles in FPS's. Once someone gets close to you, it should be impossible to hit them. Since the end of your barrel's over their shoulder.)


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re: more options = better.

Not always. I'd much rather have fewer options done well, than many options done poorly because there wasn't enough time/programmers/budget/whatever to spend on them.


edit: out of curiosity, I checked the Nexus. Considering how enthusiastic some people seem to be for spears, there's really not alot of spear mods.

i would agree, but only if stealth characters have some sort of evasion perks . . . otherwise it sounds terribly unbalanced

stealth characters have lower health, less armor and dont carry shields, and now we have a lot slower backpedaling . . . oh and arrows are scarce . . . how on earth am i supposed to fight?

Spears and Halberds are either overpowered (Like in Morrowind) or underpowered. Balancing them is very difficult and will most likely not come out right.


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