This, I agree with.

In no way, my post was purely joking. The sarcasm was difficult to miss.

I understand where you are coming from but the fallout games where never like that.

Yes in fallout 3 you grew up in a vault. That is set for you. However you grew up and acted whatever the way you wanted. You did what you would in that situation.

In New vegas you were a mail man. A job is a job, anyone can have a job.

Both of those can be easily explained away and can apply to anyone in those situations. If I wanted to be gay or straight it would be up to me because there was no mention if I was gay or not.

Now in Fallout 4 you were married and had a kid and a home. Very clearly in love with her and something like that can't be ex0lained away. What am I suppose to say? "Oh gee willikers, my wife and kid are dead even though from my perspective I saw them alive just a few hours ago! Guess I am gay now!"

See? Bethesda gave us a chance to be ourselves, the chance to avoid comlicated explanations of why my character is me. They made a big deal about immersion and putting yourself in the game. By making the character straight, they make that immersion a lot harder to achieve for the LGBT community.

Now I am worried I am playing someone elses story.

All the possibilities of exploring a post-apocalyptic wasteland in Boston, and what are one of the chief gripes?

Where they might stick their genitals.

Sorry. It's been a long day and considering the amount of stupid I encounter on this board daily it throws my sarcasm meter into disorder when I visit this particular subforum.

I see your pain. I feel fortunate, though, that these forums at least haven't devolved into Xbox Live levels of racial and homophobic slurs. There's a cohesive and respectable discussion to be had, so that's something.

I concur.

Because of story telling purposes? Bethesda is writing a story for you not the other way around.

All and all, it really isn't a big deal. I wish they would of given us a blank slate character, neither gat or straight, but I can live with it.

I am sure I will enjoy the game no matter what. This little detail won't cause me to not want it any less then I do.

To be fair the 50s wasn't the best time for blacks either. And we can make a black/white interracial couple.

My point being is where, in that gameplay trailer, did you EVER GET THE ENTIRE LIFE STORY OF YOUR CHARACTER?

My point (as I hope I spelled out for you) is that YOUR CHARACTER, Standing in front of THAT mirror, are never ever told why or how you are in that situation.

The only thing you know is that YOU have a Woman behind you commenting that your going to have a speech or presentation to deliver to deliver(or that you are telling that guy in the mirror that).....and you find out that you (or that other person in the mirror) have a kid that you(or the other person in the mirror cares for) because reasons that only you really know.

Heck for all you know that may be your "Sis"/"Brother" and her/his kid and they moved in for "reasons"

I actually made an account to voice my feelings on this matter. I played through Fallout 3 and New Vegas extensively. I am super psyched for this game, but the literal forced heterosixuality feels weird. I'm a gay man, and you're gonna force me to be married and fathered a child with a woman if I play as a man? Or force my female characters to have been impregnated and given birth in a heterosixual lifestyle?

It's one thing for most games to feature heterosixual characters, romances, what-have-you. But this is a game where your character should be absolutely what you want them to be in the way of details like this. You can personalize your six and your race, but not your sixuality or even the fact you've already had sixual intercourse and produced a child with the opposite gender? Why would this be necessary? For some story element? You wouldn't make someone have to be a man or to be a certain race, so why force a sixuality or lifestyle?

I think you guys are over thinking it and assuming it's all just PC libs trying to force the "Gay Agenda" . I see this as people who want to role play their character a certain why and giving their character a set sixuality of straight or bi ruins it for them. I said I hate that we are married with a kid because if I had a pick I prefer to be single not married.

Actually in parts of the country I would say that Blacks and interracial couples actually had it worse in the 50s than gays because Gays and lisbians could blend in a bit better.

No it's not, because the opposite-gender character flirts with the character you're customizing, and what the child looks like is determined on what the man and woman look like combined.

I believe they confirmed she is the wife. And we play as the husband or wife in the game. Remember the baby is be generated base off how we make the parents.

I don't give a damn about political correctness. I give a damn about roleplaying limitations.

I want to be gay with some characters because it adds to the roleplaying elements which adds to my enjoyment of a 'role-playing game'.

As to anyone who goes "but it's the 50's, so you could be hiding being gay", yeah, that's my point.

You have to limit your character's sixuality to what Bethesda has predetermined for your character.

And quite frankly, this seems a lot like the Skyrim RPers' mentality towards roleplaying.

Make believe. The game implies heavily towards one thing but make believe something else is going on.

And I don't do that. I can't do that. If the game explicitely tells me one thing I can't just go "no" and make believe it told me something different.

The couple is implied, heavily, to be heterosixual. And that bothers me.

Not just the heterosixual part, but everything about it. A child, a home, a neighbourhood, a class, a spouse and that you trust robots enough to have one in your home.

Aspects that are forced on the protagonist. The sixuality is just one facet of the issue here for me, I have a problem with the whole thing.

Besides, it isn't the 50's, it's 2077. That's 127 years after 1950. We know 'nothing' about how pre-war was like back then.

Do any of you that argue that point really believe that every social issue remained completely stagnant for 127 freaking years?

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Fact of the matter here is that elements and mechanics of Fallout have continuously been stripped away by Bethesda and homosixuality/bisixuality is something that the player character has been able to engage in since Fallout 1 and even if we do end up being allowed to be gay or bi later on in Fallout 4 there is another aspect of Fallout that has been stripped away and that is the vague background of your character. 'You' decided what your relationship history has been in all Fallout games, even in Fallout 3 you could think about what relationships your character might've had in the vault and how it defined him/her. In Fallout 4 this choice is taken away from you. You don't get to make that choice. You are in a relationship with someone of the opposite six.

More and more of Fallout is being stripped away and 'that' is what I have a problem with.

I don't really find it that odd, because mine never has stopped flirting with me after she met my first boyfriend, and from what I have seen that kind of behavior is apparently more or less normal, more often than not because they are teasing you and/or your boyfriend.

then again its posible my taste in men is men whos sister(s) who love flirting with there gay brother and or his current boyfriend.

(funnest oh [censored] moment from that was when one of my exes sister used the "Three way" line (while sitting on me) and he said "Sis, hes Bisixual")

Because that's not all what Role Playing is.

Whether or not that's odd to you, and honestly tmi on that story, it's still apparent that the baby in the game is your offspring with the opposite-gender character with you at the start of the game, so.

What I mean is when that is what you're forced to do in order to circumvent the game forcing something on you or when the game lacks portrayal of an aspect of roleplaying and so you have to make believe something is happening when it is in fact not and there is nothing to support it.

Roleplaying, when we get down to it, is setting down some rules for your character and adhering to them without breaking consistency and allowing that character to play out in the world around him/her/it in accordance to said rules. One can go further and create detailed backgrounds to help nail down more rules for the character to adhere to, one of those things is to make believe in the vague emptiness of your background where nothing is established for you. Yes, it is make believe, but if the rules you get out of it can be applied in the game then they weren't meaningless, like the latter of my first paragraph. But if that background has some serious restrictions then you barely have any room to roleplay as you have to either adhere to what the game tells you you are lest you make believe otherwise.

I honestly think you and many others on this board look at this entirely wrong. Does this encroach on absolute freedom of background? Sure. But at the end of the day, it won't change at all, so you may as well get used to it so you may as well either:

A. Find an alternative solution, finding ways to build up and work around established background if you're looking to keep within the confines of lore given.

B. Say screw it and completely ignore canon background of your PC and go full make believe

or C. Quit the series from here on out and be bitter about not getting your way.

I'm not belittling you, but I think too many people here moan over the fact that "I CAN'T DO WHAT I WANT! THERE'S NO CHALLENGE!" but that's a blatant lie to cover up the truth that you just don't like not being able to have 100% control. Personally, I find Fallout 4 a fascinating challenge because it will allow me to roleplay what also allow me to test how I can fit my lore I'm imagining in my head with what fits the PC as well. instead of behaving that we were married Pre-War and had a home with Mr. Handy inside are end all be alls to any roleplay, why not explore the possibilities of challenge in trying to fit the pieces together? It's a much more fun approach than options B and C in my opinion.

The baby is most certainly going to reappear as a grown advlt and play a central role to the storyline.

So yes, you have to be heterosixual or a pretended heterosixual to have a kid.

What is this damn obsession with gay video game characters?

The same reason there's a discomfort with them. People desiring a character they wish to be a reflection of themselves. It's an understandable want to play in the role of something familiar.