This is what I was i was trying to get at. Being straight gives restrictions on roleplaying for the lgbt community. It's not that we can't "pretend" that he/she is gay, but we can't ignore a life changing moment in our characters background like getting married or having a kid.

It makes it harder for not only for the LGBT community but for the people who do not want kids, do not want to get married, or hell even asixuals.

Bethesda said they wanted to immerse is in the game. They want to put "You" in the game. Last I recalled I am a gay man who'd rather die then not be myself and get married to someone I don't love.

Which is why it would of been better to play as the kid. Blank slate and all. He had no past.

I understand that but it is a recent (or seems to be) thing that people are demanding. I don't remember people demanding or questioning why gay video game characters were not a thing 10 years back.

If so they were less loud and less obvious than now.

Also since a baby is possibly included in the narrative in some way having a straight couple is key to the story

I really don't see why people care. This isn't a story about you, it is about your Character. The back story is laid out yes, but the future is fairly wide open. I don't believe this is a step back at all. Its just setting tge stage for your emotional connection for your family, and character.

I'll just pretend that the initial part of the game is just a false memory put in your head while you were in the Vault.

Same could be said about women and gaming. Back in the 90s no one had a problem with women being the seak damsel in distress.

However, being ignored or portrayed negatively will always lead to the community getting louder.

As I said though I am fine with the marriage thing. I can forget that. I just hope it's not like "Oh btw you had a wife so stop looking at that guy"

At the same time, it would be unreasonable to expect every minority group's concern be met or satisfied.

What about the monk/nun who has taken his/her vows? Who is standing up to his/her rights to play as an unmarried person?

What about the technophopia? Or the African Americans? The idea that they OWN a robot slave would be too much to bear. So ya, if you get down to it, there is no end to that rabbit hole.

Just think you get to play as someone skilled in changing poopy diapers.

Because gays weren't as socially accepted ten years back. Back then they were burgeoning between the bubbling of 'tolerated' in the 90s to 'quietly accepted and tolerated' in the 00s and have come to a point where gays are in that area where they are fighting to be seen as equal human beings. As such, they want to be in more media than a campy lisping gay joke. Things like Ellie from The Last of Us or Arcade and Veronica from New Vegas. I think it's a good thing to give a positive depiction of gays as normal people than saying "SEE THIS GUY/GIRL? SHE'S GAY! OOOOHHH!!!" and that's what a 'normal' gay character does. It breaks the mold by showing gay people aren't floating faeries that spew glitter and fashion snippy comments but living breathing men and women who are no different than their heterosixual counterparts.

That said however, my problem with this thread is the OP getting hyperoffended over nothing. It'd be like me getting mad I have to play as a gay woman in the Left Behind DLC of The Last of Us. Granted, the situation is a little different since an RPG character is usually more moldable like clay than a set in stone character. But my point here is the OP kind of sounds like they're just drumming up controversy for no real reason than to do so.

Edit @WTFflag:

Of course, but it's easier to reflect a black man than a gay man because all you need to do is apply a different skin tone. Defining a gay man isn't something so easy as what's on the eyes. It's a part of a person's being and it is probably just an overlooked thing that happened with the game in development but we literally know nothing about how the game works, so we have zero idea of how the game works in terms of how well we could roleplay an alternate sixuality, which falls into my above point of OP making mountains out of mole hills.

It's pretty sad to see this forum go all out "gay agenda!!! Bioware filth!!!" instead of discussing the matter at hand, which is roleplay limitations from a company promoting player choice, like sensible advlts.

A common explanation you repeat is: it has to be this way for story reasons. What you omit is that the story wasn't set in stone, Bethesda chose to tell it this way for a reason. I'm curious if it will help them finally deliver a compelling narrative or if it will fizzle out in favor of their usual eploration schtick. If it's the former, I guess I can live with that, but damn, do they like their family stories. Who are we going to meet in Fallout 5, our long lost sister?

Actually, this thread has been pretty reasonable. As a member of a few other forums, if this is your idea of uncivil discourse, you should venture to other forums. There's been plenty of rational discussion in this thread.

Don't go all social justice warrior.

Bethesda gave you the option for gay partners in Skyrim so this isn't some negative agenda on their part. If they chose to make the character straight this time around it will be for narrative reasons.

Family is one of and easiest ways to try and give an emotional connection between characters

What is this damn obsession with straight video game characters? Why do 99.99% of video game protagonists need to be straight? Gay people are something that exists. Why can't there be a gay character here or there, especially in a game that advertises itself on allowing the player to be who they want to be and play how they want to play?

Oh, I'm not saying it isn't civil. Nobody said anything particularly offensive as far as I can see. But I've read a few more of these threads here, they crop up every day since the announcement, and not all of them actually discussed something. I guess I don't see the point of going from thread to thread just to post "I blame Bioware" when we actually use the previous Fallouts to support our argument, but oh well.

Yes, because in a world where they've mastered genetic engineering to the degree that they can create giant, super-strong, intelligent, radiation-immune, disease-proof mutants, it's completely impossible that they'd have figured out how to let two people of the same gender have kids biologically, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis#Humans.

You know what, let's just stop the show right now... screw it. Let's make the main character either lisbian or gay. Bethesda, can you guys please cater to the millions of entitled and very very proud gay men and women across the world. Please? No one will mind, your game will probably sell better if you just make the protagonist gay. Just saying.

I suspect it's for a number of reasons. Firstly, it was illegal back then. Secondly, it's in every RPG and its getting tiresome. I just wanna shoot stuff while saving humanity without caring about romance or having that other stuff shoved in my face. Bioware, CD Projekt Red, Ubisoft. Leave it to them.

Back when? 2077? Or do you mean the 1950s? Because you sure as hell wouldn't have seen a mixed race marriage in a nice neighbourhood like that back then either.

And yes, it would be nice to shoot stuff while saving humanity without caring about romance, but for some reason Bethesda have explicitly decided that your character is married, so I guess we don't have an option. Or is it only gay relationships you're tired of?

People seem to think this is about gay issues. To me, I don't want him straight or gay. I just want him to be neutral. So WE can choose what way he/she swings.

That way we ALL can roleplay the way we want.

Again, to be clear, most are NOT asking for a gay character. We hust don't want to be restricted to a heterosixual background. We want it to be equally fair for ALL of us.

While certainly a possibility, that kind of contrived background would required far too much expository and confuse far too many people.


Also they can't set up their little bathroom mirror character creation thing without first asking if you want to be in a same six relationship and which six you want to be. The later of which is supposed to be chosen in the cc menu itself.

Oh that and a hundred dialog or references to your other half that needs to be added/changed to suit the homosixual angle because no doubt at some point, the PC is going to have to talk his/her son about his/her other parent and things would probably get really confusing and awkward trying explain the whole same six baby thing.

My character Cathy is lisbian and she has a civil partnership to Brisa. And she comes from FO3 and NV.

How I'll imagine it - the pre war stuff will just be another Tranquility Lane simulation but improved from Braun's variant. Cathy managed to get into Vault 111 when she had nowhere else to go (and remembered her affinity with vaults). However, the simulation goes corrupt and the nukes go off.

The illusion is shattered and Cathy leaves the vault for greener pastures. She then tries to track down her partner while probably tracking down who apparently was her son in the simulation.

Using imagination rules

The only given informations is: You are married and have a child.

NOONE is saying you are hetero...

There are FAR more important things that could've been implemented in the background of the character than homosixuality/whateversixuality such as blindness/half blindness, hearing/speech impairment, cripples...These groups of people are far more deserving of acceptance and far more underrepresented despite being a very large chunk of the population. I did not see a single one of them complain and I know there are a couple of them on these boards.

Use your imagination, or don't play and stop [censored]ing.

Why the hell do we have 2 threads like this? Did I log into Tumblr?

Ugh I guess we should also take into consideration that this IS Bethesda. It's not like they never heard of gay people. I mean you can be gay in Skyrim, why would they suddenly forget about gay people in Fallout? I am sure they are well aware of gay people occurring in multiple fallout games too.

Perhaps I will just put my trust in them that they will give us a compelling and fullfilling RPGS that will immerse me into this world.

I actually kind of agree with Gabriel77Dan on this one. Which I almost never do.

Personally, I'm heterosixual so it's not going to bother me in the slightest, but I could see how it would bother somebody who isn't. Even if we completely disregard that, Bethesda better have a damn good story reason for restricting us like that, or it's just pointless and counterproductive to Fallout. And needlessly throws a rock at the LGBTQ community.

I'm almost worried Bethesda saw the success of the Witcher and Mass Effect series and decided "Oh hey! That's popular! Let's do that instead of making our game unique!"

Exactly.
I can live with it if they have a good story. I will play the mom (cause if I can't play myself then playing as the mom would be just as interesting lol)